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To: rktman
Everything we "know" about this episode is probably false. Pick your favorite story.

I am going with poor training and maintenance practices by the crew as causing the loss of the vessel.

6 posted on 04/14/2022 7:22:44 AM PDT by flamberge (How fast you run does not matter if it is in the wrong direction.)
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To: flamberge

My position since first hour.

Agreed.


9 posted on 04/14/2022 7:25:46 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: flamberge

“...Pick your favorite story. ...”

I pick the the story that a drone’s attack took all of the ship’s defense’s attention so that an unanticipated missile attack could get through the defenses for a strike - a well coordinated operation.


14 posted on 04/14/2022 7:34:27 AM PDT by elpadre (And here in NCini)
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To: flamberge
Pick your favorite story.

Rule of thumb, when the choice is between malevolence or brilliance and incompetence or dumb luck, I'll take the latter every time until proven otherwise.

23 posted on 04/14/2022 7:40:17 AM PDT by Turbo Pig ('To close with and destroy the enemy")
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To: flamberge
Everything we "know" about this episode is probably false. Pick your favorite story.

You can apply that to the entire war.

I am going with poor training and maintenance practices

You can apply that to the entire Russian military.

47 posted on 04/14/2022 8:21:28 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: flamberge

Yes, for the first time in the 400-year history of the Russian Navy, one of its ships just happens to blow up due to an ammunition fire coincidentally during wartime when the ship is off the shore of a hostile country that possesses anti-ship missiles. Yes, yes, that is truly more plausible than than the ship being hit by those enemy missiles. Now that I think about it, all those Russian tanks blowing up is probably due to the tank crews smoking inside tanks with leaking fuel lines rather than from Ukrainian anti-tank missiles, isn’t that right?


50 posted on 04/14/2022 8:38:21 AM PDT by Salohcin
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To: flamberge

“I am going with poor training and maintenance practices by the crew as causing the loss of the vessel.”

ENTIRELY possible/believable.

Also ENTIRELY possible/believable is that Ukraine hit it.


51 posted on 04/14/2022 8:40:21 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: flamberge

Either way it is GOOD NEWS!

Russia, the paper tiger. Now, EVERYONE knows it.

Putin has embarrassed his military, his entire country and himself. He should immediately RESIGN/STEP DOWN.

Or, be TAKEN DOWN before he really gets reckless. (nuclear, or nucular like W would say)


53 posted on 04/14/2022 8:45:14 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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