[Lurker]

The salient fact is that the Russians are now using 4th generation aircraft against the Ukrainians and losing them.

Putin isn’t long for this world. He’s shown that the Russian military is a paper tiger. Their equipment is crap. Their troops are crap. Their doctrine is crap. Their entire country is a tissue of lies.

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[arthurus]

4th Russsian Generation. It is not the same thing as 4th generation in, say, Israel or the USA.

[colorado tanker]

We were told that in the 70's and I half believed them. The only problem back then was that there were so damn many of them.

Looks like they downsized their army a lot since the end of the Cold War.

[Kevmo]

Putin isn’t long for this world. He’s shown that the Russian military is a paper tiger. Their equipment is crap. Their troops are crap. Their doctrine is crap. Their entire country is a tissue of lies.
***I did not see that coming. I figured by now they’d be mopping up Ukraine and getting every concession they could think of.

[PLMerite]

” He’s shown that the Russian military is a paper tiger. Their equipment is crap. Their troops are crap. Their doctrine is crap. Their entire country is a tissue of lies.”

True, but their nukes still probably work well enough, something we should all be mindful of.

[2CAVTrooper]

“The salient fact is that the Russians are now using 4th generation aircraft against the Ukrainians and losing them.

Putin isn’t long for this world. He’s shown that the Russian military is a paper tiger. Their equipment is crap. Their troops are crap. Their doctrine is crap. Their entire country is a tissue of lies.”

Russia isn’t a first grade military power, but a poorly trained mediocre military.

Putin knows his military is weak, that’s why he raised his nuclear alert levels. And it’s not so much as to deter NATO, but to deter china instead.

[Rowdyone]

I agree that the Russian armed forces are overrated but I can’t help think that if they were fighting on their own soil their fervor would be vastly different. Ukraine has been part of the Russian Empire since the 1600’s to 1990 and many Russians have Ukrainian friends and relatives.