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BREAKING: Volodymyr Zelensky Says Ukraine Won't Join NATO
Newsweek ^ | 3/15/22 AT 10:28 AM EDT | BRENDAN COLE

Posted on 03/15/2022 9:08:41 AM PDT by Smogger

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky appears to have accepted that his country will not become a member of NATO, one of the demands made by Russia before it invaded.

According to a translation of his comments in a speech, Zelensky said that Ukraine had "realized" it would not become part of the Western military alliance.

"For years we've heard the opposite, open doors, However, it is not," he said Tuesday according to Ukrainian news outlet, Trukha.

"Our people understand this, and we are beginning to count on our own strength," he added.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsweek.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
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To: Leaning Right
In other words, give Putin everything he really wanted in the first place, and so reward his aggression.

No, in other words, Putin is giving a bloody nose to "new world order" and neocon types that stuck their nose into a country in his backyard.

We've been the aggressors, fomenting the Ukraine revolution in 2014, associating with and training neo-Nazi radicals and using Ukraine as a battering ram against his nation.

Putin has more of a reason to be Ukraine than we ever did in Iraq. And, as much of a reason to be concerned about a heavily-armed Ukraine joining NATO as the we did about Soviet missiles in Cuba.

61 posted on 03/15/2022 9:46:05 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: dforest

Quite right. So nobody’ll be callng for VZ’s head over it. It’s a fait acompli, and the membership is not worth having. Because WW III would NOT have been started over two dozen some-odd obsolete MIGs, and they were too cowardly to even do that much. Proof’s in the pudding. So why bother.


62 posted on 03/15/2022 9:46:30 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (January 6, worst assault on democracy since the Reichstag Fire)
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To: navysealdad

This guy has made so many mistakes its sad...

His country is being burned because of his inability to understand the world...

I know that’s not the accepted and pushed narrative, but this is a war that didn’t need to happen, and NO that doesn’t mean I agree with Russia, I don’t, but geopolitically this was a completely avoidable conflict. Should have never, ever gotten to this point...

Dementia Puppet in the white house, and a fool in Kiev, and sycophants in Europe marched the world to this.


63 posted on 03/15/2022 9:46:58 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: House Atreides

Now it’s revealed! Zelenskyy is Putin stooge too! Who will the neocons want to attack over this development. Zelenskyy’s Churchillian status on FR is now in jeopardy.


64 posted on 03/15/2022 9:47:24 AM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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To: Smogger

A strategic retreat to regroup to a better position is not a surrender.


65 posted on 03/15/2022 9:48:56 AM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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To: dforest
Exactly. The whole promise of Russia being worried about invasiom by the same NATO that was unwilling even to defend Ukraine is a myth. It's a piece of Russian propaganda designed to excuse imperialistic designs on rebuilding the Soviet union. Russia wants to maintain the ability to threaten and bully Ukraine into acting as a puppet state. The moment Ukraine gets security guarantees from Western countries, Russia loses that ability. That's why Russia opposes Ukraine being allowed to enter into bilateral or multilateral security guarantees with any of the individual members of NATO.

And I don't think Zelensky will ever be willing to give that up. Nor should he.

66 posted on 03/15/2022 9:50:31 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .)
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To: Kazan

> Putin has more of a reason to be Ukraine than we ever did in Iraq. <

I totally agree with that. I consider George W. Bush to be a war criminal. As for Putin, he had legitimate security concerns about NATO moving east. But those concerns were not enough to start a war, in my opinion. So I now put Putin in the same category as Bush: war criminal.


67 posted on 03/15/2022 9:51:59 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: Krosan

“Everybody knew that NATO won’t accept Ukraine for at least a decade. That’s not why Putin invaded. That’s just his red herring. KGB Putin invaded because he wants the evil empire of his youth back.”

Yup. If he was so terrified of NATO on his borders, why didn’t he invade Latvia, or Lithuania, or Estonia? Or former Soviet satellite states Romania, or Bulgaria, or Slovenia, or Slovakia? They didn’t join NATO until 2004. Putin was president from 2000 - 2008; and 2012 - the present. Between 2008 and 2012 he was Premier (really, he was acting president, as Medvedev was his placeholder).


68 posted on 03/15/2022 9:52:45 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Bravo! Spot on.


69 posted on 03/15/2022 9:52:51 AM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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To: JonPreston

The guy realized the US State Department plan to widen and inflame the conflict would Stalingradize his entire country. That’s why these peace negotiations are going at breakneck pace. They want to get it done before the DC warmongers scuttle the process. Peace breaking out NOW and 33 GOP senators STILL want US aircraft deployed. You vote DC GOP, you are a warmongering stooge.


70 posted on 03/15/2022 9:53:02 AM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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To: Smogger

LOL
Ukranians are sick of this Z’s misleading BS.
Putin already told us this 3 weeks ago


71 posted on 03/15/2022 9:55:11 AM PDT by CarolinaReaganFan
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To: Krosan

With US power weakening, Putin sees world going from unipolar to multipolar. Putin wants Russia to be a respected pole in this multipolar world and believes he needs Ukraine, Kazakhstan, etc. to be a big player in the future.


72 posted on 03/15/2022 9:55:30 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: hardspunned
Now it’s revealed! Zelenskyy is Putin stooge too! Who will the neocons want to attack over this development. Zelenskyy’s Churchillian status on FR is now in jeopardy.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hahahahaha!

Exactly right!

Neocons would rather have another decades-long war to prevent Ukraine's "Churchill" from declaring NEUTRALITY (like Switzerland).

73 posted on 03/15/2022 9:57:25 AM PDT by Disestablishmentarian (The next war has already started. )
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To: Smogger

Oh we use Twitter now?
God Bless Zelensky.

And God damn Biden and Putin.


74 posted on 03/15/2022 9:57:42 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Leaning Right
The globalists and neocons did EVERYTHING it could to make and enemy of Russia and the author explains why. We've unnecessarily made an enemy of Russia and pushed into an alliance with China. It's sickening.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/03/the_ukraine_crisis_may_be_more_of_a_boon_to_the_globalists_and_western_lefts_agenda_than_is_apparent_at_first_glance.html

March 15, 2022

The Ukraine crisis may be more of a boon to the globalists and Western left’s agenda than is apparent at first glance. By Jared Peterson

First, the obvious:

We -- the US -- bear much of the responsibility for creating the poisoned atmosphere that inclined Putin to attack Ukraine. Thirty years of spurning Russia’s openly expressed desire after the Soviet collapse for peace and normalcy between itself and Western Europe, including twenty years of gratuitous, deliberately threatening behavior by the West -- in 1999 and 2004, actual NATO expansions, in 2008, a promised further expansion, and in 2014, overt anti-Russian meddling in Ukrainian politics -- all culminated in Putin’s desperate and dangerous act.

In 1991, when the Soviets’ external and internal empire dissolved, newly emerged and shrunken Russia’s proffer of peaceful relations was real, the first actual chance for cooperative relations between Russia and the West since Tsar Alexander I helped to defeat the marble-tombed war-maker, Napoleon. That early 1990’s Russian offer was successfully resisted through the Iago-like whisperings of America’s military/industrial complex, fearful of losing the militarily powerful enemy that was key to its budgets, weapons systems, jobs, and profits.

But in today’s world, another motive for the West’s stubbornly antagonistic stance toward Russia has entered the picture: without regard to the Ukraine war, Russia of late was as much the object of the Western left’s loathing because of its return after the Cold War to nationalism and cultural conservatism, as it was the object of the left’s admiration previously because of its embrace of Communism. The resurgent Western left, now allied with the globalists, for years has despised Russia for its return to tradition, just as they despise Poland and Hungary for the same reason. Now, in the case of Russia, they can mask their cultural loathing in the more respectable garb of opposition to war.

So, through the war we provoked, America’s military industrialists have secured for at least a generation Russia’s status as an enemy; and America’s left (and globalists) have isolated, weakened, and now hope to destroy, a powerful opponent of their various insanities and plan to impose them on the entire planet through unopposed, Western-sponsored globalism. Thus, the Ukraine war, brought to the world by 30 years of spurning peace and 20 years of deliberate provocation, all urged on America’s political elites and by its military industrialists, serves the interests of both our militarists and left globalists.

75 posted on 03/15/2022 9:59:16 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: ought-six
The globalists and neocons did EVERYTHING it could to make and enemy of Russia and the author explains why. We've unnecessarily made an enemy of Russia and pushed into an alliance with China. It's sickening.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/03/the_ukraine_crisis_may_be_more_of_a_boon_to_the_globalists_and_western_lefts_agenda_than_is_apparent_at_first_glance.html

March 15, 2022

The Ukraine crisis may be more of a boon to the globalists and Western left’s agenda than is apparent at first glance. By Jared Peterson

First, the obvious:

We -- the US -- bear much of the responsibility for creating the poisoned atmosphere that inclined Putin to attack Ukraine. Thirty years of spurning Russia’s openly expressed desire after the Soviet collapse for peace and normalcy between itself and Western Europe, including twenty years of gratuitous, deliberately threatening behavior by the West -- in 1999 and 2004, actual NATO expansions, in 2008, a promised further expansion, and in 2014, overt anti-Russian meddling in Ukrainian politics -- all culminated in Putin’s desperate and dangerous act.

In 1991, when the Soviets’ external and internal empire dissolved, newly emerged and shrunken Russia’s proffer of peaceful relations was real, the first actual chance for cooperative relations between Russia and the West since Tsar Alexander I helped to defeat the marble-tombed war-maker, Napoleon. That early 1990’s Russian offer was successfully resisted through the Iago-like whisperings of America’s military/industrial complex, fearful of losing the militarily powerful enemy that was key to its budgets, weapons systems, jobs, and profits.

But in today’s world, another motive for the West’s stubbornly antagonistic stance toward Russia has entered the picture: without regard to the Ukraine war, Russia of late was as much the object of the Western left’s loathing because of its return after the Cold War to nationalism and cultural conservatism, as it was the object of the left’s admiration previously because of its embrace of Communism. The resurgent Western left, now allied with the globalists, for years has despised Russia for its return to tradition, just as they despise Poland and Hungary for the same reason. Now, in the case of Russia, they can mask their cultural loathing in the more respectable garb of opposition to war.

So, through the war we provoked, America’s military industrialists have secured for at least a generation Russia’s status as an enemy; and America’s left (and globalists) have isolated, weakened, and now hope to destroy, a powerful opponent of their various insanities and plan to impose them on the entire planet through unopposed, Western-sponsored globalism. Thus, the Ukraine war, brought to the world by 30 years of spurning peace and 20 years of deliberate provocation, all urged on America’s political elites and by its military industrialists, serves the interests of both our militarists and left globalists.

76 posted on 03/15/2022 9:59:57 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: CarolinaReaganFan

You’re a Reagan fan?

Parhetic.

Reagan defeated the Soviets.

Trump armed this Ukrainian president with offensive weapons against Russia.

Trump would never have abandoned Ukraine.

I’ll stick with Trump to recognize America’s strategic interests.

If you want to abandon Ukraine, that is the Obama Biden policy.


77 posted on 03/15/2022 10:01:02 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: dforest

Besides, publicly announcing their every move with the MIGs was beyond stupid. You cut the planes into components, hide them beneath straw in a farmer’s wagon, and have him deliver them over the border to where they’re needed and reassemble them. Or you put them in the hold of a ship delivering salami that docks in Odessa, unload the salami with the planes somehow secreted amongst them, deliver half the salamis to the Russkies in exchange for them looking the other way, and bring the planes to a makeshift airstrip. Nobody should have known jack about it that didn’t need to know. That is how such things are done.


78 posted on 03/15/2022 10:01:36 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (January 6, worst assault on democracy since the Reichstag Fire)
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To: Seruzawa
Like they suckered Saddam Hussein over Kuwait? Remember?

I do seem to recall a country called Libya and a no-fly-zone to keep the peace.
79 posted on 03/15/2022 10:01:50 AM PDT by JoSixChip (2020: The year of unreported truths; 2021: My main take away from this year? Trust no one.)
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To: Smogger

Took the dumb bastards long enough...


80 posted on 03/15/2022 10:02:15 AM PDT by Mariner (War criminal #18)
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