Posted on 03/15/2022 9:08:41 AM PDT by Smogger
No, in other words, Putin is giving a bloody nose to "new world order" and neocon types that stuck their nose into a country in his backyard.
We've been the aggressors, fomenting the Ukraine revolution in 2014, associating with and training neo-Nazi radicals and using Ukraine as a battering ram against his nation.
Putin has more of a reason to be Ukraine than we ever did in Iraq. And, as much of a reason to be concerned about a heavily-armed Ukraine joining NATO as the we did about Soviet missiles in Cuba.
Quite right. So nobody’ll be callng for VZ’s head over it. It’s a fait acompli, and the membership is not worth having. Because WW III would NOT have been started over two dozen some-odd obsolete MIGs, and they were too cowardly to even do that much. Proof’s in the pudding. So why bother.
This guy has made so many mistakes its sad...
His country is being burned because of his inability to understand the world...
I know that’s not the accepted and pushed narrative, but this is a war that didn’t need to happen, and NO that doesn’t mean I agree with Russia, I don’t, but geopolitically this was a completely avoidable conflict. Should have never, ever gotten to this point...
Dementia Puppet in the white house, and a fool in Kiev, and sycophants in Europe marched the world to this.
Now it’s revealed! Zelenskyy is Putin stooge too! Who will the neocons want to attack over this development. Zelenskyy’s Churchillian status on FR is now in jeopardy.
A strategic retreat to regroup to a better position is not a surrender.
And I don't think Zelensky will ever be willing to give that up. Nor should he.
> Putin has more of a reason to be Ukraine than we ever did in Iraq. <
I totally agree with that. I consider George W. Bush to be a war criminal. As for Putin, he had legitimate security concerns about NATO moving east. But those concerns were not enough to start a war, in my opinion. So I now put Putin in the same category as Bush: war criminal.
“Everybody knew that NATO won’t accept Ukraine for at least a decade. That’s not why Putin invaded. That’s just his red herring. KGB Putin invaded because he wants the evil empire of his youth back.”
Yup. If he was so terrified of NATO on his borders, why didn’t he invade Latvia, or Lithuania, or Estonia? Or former Soviet satellite states Romania, or Bulgaria, or Slovenia, or Slovakia? They didn’t join NATO until 2004. Putin was president from 2000 - 2008; and 2012 - the present. Between 2008 and 2012 he was Premier (really, he was acting president, as Medvedev was his placeholder).
Bravo! Spot on.
The guy realized the US State Department plan to widen and inflame the conflict would Stalingradize his entire country. That’s why these peace negotiations are going at breakneck pace. They want to get it done before the DC warmongers scuttle the process. Peace breaking out NOW and 33 GOP senators STILL want US aircraft deployed. You vote DC GOP, you are a warmongering stooge.
LOL
Ukranians are sick of this Z’s misleading BS.
Putin already told us this 3 weeks ago
With US power weakening, Putin sees world going from unipolar to multipolar. Putin wants Russia to be a respected pole in this multipolar world and believes he needs Ukraine, Kazakhstan, etc. to be a big player in the future.
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Hahahahaha!
Exactly right!
Neocons would rather have another decades-long war to prevent Ukraine's "Churchill" from declaring NEUTRALITY (like Switzerland).
Oh we use Twitter now?
God Bless Zelensky.
And God damn Biden and Putin.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/03/the_ukraine_crisis_may_be_more_of_a_boon_to_the_globalists_and_western_lefts_agenda_than_is_apparent_at_first_glance.html
March 15, 2022
The Ukraine crisis may be more of a boon to the globalists and Western left’s agenda than is apparent at first glance. By Jared Peterson
First, the obvious:
We -- the US -- bear much of the responsibility for creating the poisoned atmosphere that inclined Putin to attack Ukraine. Thirty years of spurning Russia’s openly expressed desire after the Soviet collapse for peace and normalcy between itself and Western Europe, including twenty years of gratuitous, deliberately threatening behavior by the West -- in 1999 and 2004, actual NATO expansions, in 2008, a promised further expansion, and in 2014, overt anti-Russian meddling in Ukrainian politics -- all culminated in Putin’s desperate and dangerous act.
In 1991, when the Soviets’ external and internal empire dissolved, newly emerged and shrunken Russia’s proffer of peaceful relations was real, the first actual chance for cooperative relations between Russia and the West since Tsar Alexander I helped to defeat the marble-tombed war-maker, Napoleon. That early 1990’s Russian offer was successfully resisted through the Iago-like whisperings of America’s military/industrial complex, fearful of losing the militarily powerful enemy that was key to its budgets, weapons systems, jobs, and profits.
But in today’s world, another motive for the West’s stubbornly antagonistic stance toward Russia has entered the picture: without regard to the Ukraine war, Russia of late was as much the object of the Western left’s loathing because of its return after the Cold War to nationalism and cultural conservatism, as it was the object of the left’s admiration previously because of its embrace of Communism. The resurgent Western left, now allied with the globalists, for years has despised Russia for its return to tradition, just as they despise Poland and Hungary for the same reason. Now, in the case of Russia, they can mask their cultural loathing in the more respectable garb of opposition to war.
So, through the war we provoked, America’s military industrialists have secured for at least a generation Russia’s status as an enemy; and America’s left (and globalists) have isolated, weakened, and now hope to destroy, a powerful opponent of their various insanities and plan to impose them on the entire planet through unopposed, Western-sponsored globalism. Thus, the Ukraine war, brought to the world by 30 years of spurning peace and 20 years of deliberate provocation, all urged on America’s political elites and by its military industrialists, serves the interests of both our militarists and left globalists.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/03/the_ukraine_crisis_may_be_more_of_a_boon_to_the_globalists_and_western_lefts_agenda_than_is_apparent_at_first_glance.html
March 15, 2022
The Ukraine crisis may be more of a boon to the globalists and Western left’s agenda than is apparent at first glance. By Jared Peterson
First, the obvious:
We -- the US -- bear much of the responsibility for creating the poisoned atmosphere that inclined Putin to attack Ukraine. Thirty years of spurning Russia’s openly expressed desire after the Soviet collapse for peace and normalcy between itself and Western Europe, including twenty years of gratuitous, deliberately threatening behavior by the West -- in 1999 and 2004, actual NATO expansions, in 2008, a promised further expansion, and in 2014, overt anti-Russian meddling in Ukrainian politics -- all culminated in Putin’s desperate and dangerous act.
In 1991, when the Soviets’ external and internal empire dissolved, newly emerged and shrunken Russia’s proffer of peaceful relations was real, the first actual chance for cooperative relations between Russia and the West since Tsar Alexander I helped to defeat the marble-tombed war-maker, Napoleon. That early 1990’s Russian offer was successfully resisted through the Iago-like whisperings of America’s military/industrial complex, fearful of losing the militarily powerful enemy that was key to its budgets, weapons systems, jobs, and profits.
But in today’s world, another motive for the West’s stubbornly antagonistic stance toward Russia has entered the picture: without regard to the Ukraine war, Russia of late was as much the object of the Western left’s loathing because of its return after the Cold War to nationalism and cultural conservatism, as it was the object of the left’s admiration previously because of its embrace of Communism. The resurgent Western left, now allied with the globalists, for years has despised Russia for its return to tradition, just as they despise Poland and Hungary for the same reason. Now, in the case of Russia, they can mask their cultural loathing in the more respectable garb of opposition to war.
So, through the war we provoked, America’s military industrialists have secured for at least a generation Russia’s status as an enemy; and America’s left (and globalists) have isolated, weakened, and now hope to destroy, a powerful opponent of their various insanities and plan to impose them on the entire planet through unopposed, Western-sponsored globalism. Thus, the Ukraine war, brought to the world by 30 years of spurning peace and 20 years of deliberate provocation, all urged on America’s political elites and by its military industrialists, serves the interests of both our militarists and left globalists.
You’re a Reagan fan?
Parhetic.
Reagan defeated the Soviets.
Trump armed this Ukrainian president with offensive weapons against Russia.
Trump would never have abandoned Ukraine.
I’ll stick with Trump to recognize America’s strategic interests.
If you want to abandon Ukraine, that is the Obama Biden policy.
Besides, publicly announcing their every move with the MIGs was beyond stupid. You cut the planes into components, hide them beneath straw in a farmer’s wagon, and have him deliver them over the border to where they’re needed and reassemble them. Or you put them in the hold of a ship delivering salami that docks in Odessa, unload the salami with the planes somehow secreted amongst them, deliver half the salamis to the Russkies in exchange for them looking the other way, and bring the planes to a makeshift airstrip. Nobody should have known jack about it that didn’t need to know. That is how such things are done.
Took the dumb bastards long enough...
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