[odawg]

“Then tell me what we are doing in Ukraine trying to make it a NATO country?”

Pence complains that there are apologists in the GOP for Putin. That is nonsense, but the popular narrative that Putin was “forced” to invade Ukraine over its possible joining NATO comes close to being an apologist for Putin.

And Putin probably loves that when he hears it being stated, because it shields him from his well stated aim to restore the territory of the “glorious” Soviet Union.

So Putin invaded while he thought he had a clear chance BEFORE Ukraine joined NATO. He would not have invaded if Ukraine were a member of NATO.

[WMarshal]

"Pence complains that there are apologists in the GOP for Putin. That is nonsense, but the popular narrative that Putin was “forced” to invade Ukraine over its possible joining NATO comes close to being an apologist for Putin."

You just proved my point.

[Jim Noble]

Do you support the Monroe Doctrine, the Mexican War, and the Mexican punitive expedition of 1915-16?

Yes or no?