Cut off the head, and suddenly you're left with a bunch of dead limbs — Walmart, Amazon, Applebees, Target, Tesla, Boeing, Chevrolet, etc. — companies that, in the event of a war, would immediately cease to function cross-country are oftentimes dependent on one another, and would immediately throw a hundred million out of work, if not more.
And I haven't mentioned agribusiness here, or Big Pharma, or all the thousands of companies that make computer chips and innumerable widgets that none of us knows about but we're extremely dependent upon.
This isn't even considering water sources and power grids, two things that have the potential to wreck life as we know it and send whole regions into anarchy and the Stone Age. Where are the power plants? The transmission lines? What are the sources of power — dams, or coal, or solar, or nuclear?
Nobody in his right mind wants civil war. Millions would die, more from disease, hunger, and predatory common criminals than the battles themselves. BUT letting communists put us on cattle cars would be *worse* than all that...
They will be telling us, It isn’t “time to fight”, until armed men are forcing you onto a bus to the “relocation” center. Of course then it is far too late.
Here’s a test of where the nation is today. I will call it the Rittenhouse Test.
If a rioting, black-clad Antifa goon is shot dead while looting and committing arson, do you want to see the shooter tried in court or re-supplied?
How come nobody ever talks of a tax revolt?
Defund this beast.
Divorces, guns, dividing states from one another, or even a civil war are all Utter BS.
Biden declared war on people not living in cities by halting American energy dependence by stopping fracking, killing the pipeline, and his green deal and is shipping reduced oil volume on railcars further increasing oil prices.
There will never be a civil war, but truckers might supply dangerous cities.
Non-city dwellers and truckers really just have to have nothing to do with cities and cities cannot sustain.
The DNC are the cities and most of the Republicans and independents ain flyover country.
City dwellers think the New Green Deal can save the planet and don’t drive much in comparison to metro and busses. They fail to understand that their cherished cities are Heat Generating Concert magnets.
What world and America needs is depopulate cities by relocating people to built up areas which will Kill Socialisms attractiveness thus reversing the need for Bidens failed domestic energy policy.
We were warned about the danger of allowing the government to obtain a standing army, and we did not listen.
History has no exception. The government’s army will eventually be used against the citizens. No law can stop it. No constitution can stop it. No court can stop it. No Congress can stop it.
There’s a difference between a civil war and a revolution.
Either one would be bad. But the revolution isn’t about “winning” or “secession”. It’s about destroying the entire system and starting from scratch with a gun in your face.
That’s what the Left thinks they want.... they are idiots.
Does no one else see this was an obvious set-up to make Kirk look dangerous and discredit his group?
I have to agree with Charlie...As long as we still need to ask, then it’s not time...The “let’s burn it all down and start over” crowd, misunderstand what’s involved in “starting over”...Once it’s gone, there’s no getting it back, ever...
Our country today is nothing like it was back then.
For starters, there was a "Mason-Dixon" line in CW1. Not necessary for a war of course, but it provided clarification for which side was which. WWI had several lines dividing the combatants. There would be nothing like that in a CW2.
More specifically, people wore uniforms in CW1. And those that didn't, stood near/with those that did to signify which side they were fighting for and then much of the time they would line up in the field and shoot at the opposing side. There would be nothing like that in a CW2.
There of course was a command structure in CW1. There is nothing even resembling that today. Try fighting a large-scale war without a clear command structure. Or...logistics.
Back then, although more crude by today's standard, communications were readily available. Of course, they could be intercepted/decoded, but communications weren't disabled. If a legit CW2 broke out today, take your cell phone, your tablet, your laptop, etc and toss them in the garbage disposal. Forget "social media," the telecoms would simply stop telecommunications to the public. How is everyone going to communicate? Do you really know which side every single person is within a few miles radius of you? Of course not.
During CW1, if 10 armed people showed up in front of your family home, you could readily tell friend from foe. Now, you wouldn't be able to. Do you shoot first, ask questions later?
Then there is money. In CW1, people who had money had access to it relatively without much trouble. Any CW2, take your credit cards and your ATM card and toss them in the garbage disposal with your electronic communications devices. How would people buy fuel/food/ammo/other supplies to wage this war? Steal it perhaps, even from those on the same side. And when those supplies run out after a few days/weeks, then what? During the times of CW1, most farms were family run and most people were fairly self-sufficient. Nothing close to that could be said today.
And, perhaps an even broader fact about our society today is that this country is truly "fat and lazy" and extremely dependent upon our modern luxury's.
There is any manor of entertainment that people can find to at least momentarily take their mind off their troubles, even now if they are willing to put up with local/company rules. People, if they choose, can go on a cruise on a massive ship to "exotic" destinations and eat like Kings and Queens and be entertained and massaged with hot stones and steamed towels. They can take their families to any number of amusement parks. They can go watch any number of sporting events. People can stream just released movies into their family rooms on their 50, 60, 100 inch, 4K, 8K flat screens at any time of the day for another example.
Now, the forms of entertainment are clearly different, but the "average" people in the U.S. of 2022 have orders of magnitude more options, and the capacity to do them (if they choose), then the people of the 1860's America.
We can all complain about the rising prices on everything, the point here is access and choices.
So long as you can heat or cool your house to whatever comfort level you'd like, with either the flick of a switch or with relative access and ease to fuel sources with your own personal wealth being the limiting factor...we haven't hit rock bottom.
So long as you can illuminate your house on demand, any time of the day/night, with the flick of a switch...we haven't hit rock bottom.
So long as you can drive your personal vehicle up to a gas pump (or charging station) and put fuel in your vehicle any time you want during the fuel station's operating hours...we haven't hit rock bottom.
So long as you can drive/bike/walk/public transportation to your local grocery store and pick and choose from shelves/refrigerators/freezers full of food and other items to replenish your home at any time you want so long as the store is open...we haven't hit rock bottom.
No, IMV, anything like a CW2, even if those non-trivial points were worked out, would get crushed by the power of various states and lastly by the feds. And the argument that there are more patriots with guns than the feds wouldn't ultimately hold up. Again, this is nothing like the 1860's. If it really got that bad, the feds could strafe your neighborhood from any manor of machine from above. Can you and your band do that to the feds? That's but a single example of the extreme superior advantage those in power would have.
Then there is talk of breaking up the country. Equally crazy but for different reasons.
We have become accustomed to the United States being able to deal with the rest of the world almost exclusively on our terms, using our dollar as the world's currency, etc and so forth.
We break apart this country, the "red" states would NOT be able to fill that power vacuum. Who steps into that void? The Chinese. And while Russia clearly has more nuclear weapons, Communist China would overnight become the world's lone superpower. Think they are a pain in our arse now? Ha! We ain't seen nothing yet. Short of a war/nuclear war with Russia, the communist in China would be able to do just about anything and everything they've ever dreamed of anywhere in the world. Like it or not is inconsequential, this is a globally connected world now so long as we all want our modern creature comforts.
How would life in the smaller/weaker breakaway red states be like with China literally running the world? What does it look like with Red China's Yuan with Chairman Mao's face on it, as the world's reserve currency? Think there are unfavorable trade conditions now? How is a smaller, weaker "red state" country going to do trading with the rest of the world, CCP included? How would that smaller, weaker new country prevent the CCP from moving as much military hardware as they'd like into Mexico?
The point of all this is NOT to say we should simply lay down and take it. Far from it. It's simply to point out that the "CW2" angle isn't realistic, and neither is breaking up into smaller and weaker countries, for numerous reasons (some of which were pointed out above.)
IMV, "our" side needs to refocus from trying to "fix" this from the top down. The feds, the national media, etc are just far too deeply corrupt to try and fix it with even a handful of politicians at that level. This also does NOT mean stop paying attention to who we put into office at the national level.
This is going to have to be a bottom up rescue. It may not be as sexy, and it certainly won't be as quick as most American's attention span (instant streaming, drive through meal), but this fight has to be won at the school board level, then local level, then the state level and finally the federal level. Depending on the location, some of that can be done simultaneously. For example, it's going to be "easier" to fix local and state level issues in the several 2020 Republican contested states, than say in New York, Illinois, Washington or once/occasionally red California.
Along the way, perhaps...just perhaps, the states could reassert more of their 10th Amendment power.
It may very well take a generation to get it done, but it's the only realistic way to keep our superpower, world influential, high-level standard of living, our currency dominated modern way of life intact. From the bottom up.