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China and Saudi Arabia set to strengthen military ties.....
All arab News ^ | 2/1/2022 | by All Arab News Staff

Posted on 02/02/2022 9:32:22 AM PST by caww

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To: caww

During the Cold War the US understood that power politics is a zero sum game. Somewhere along the line those who would be the leaders forgot all that. 50 years defending our way of life, down the crapper, just like that.


21 posted on 02/02/2022 11:25:48 AM PST by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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And our enemies , within and without, have had 50 years to pull off what we’re seeing today.


22 posted on 02/02/2022 11:27:34 AM PST by caww ( )
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Interesting enough Kazakastan could be a problem for China now and then under the former President. More than once he stood his ground to get the best deals he could regarding China. ...especially on the Belt and Road deals. So of course they finally got him out of office.


23 posted on 02/02/2022 11:30:51 AM PST by caww ( )
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I've not seen a cogent explanation by any of the Putinistas on here of WHY Putin would, rationally in 2022, be so fearful of NATO. NATO can put up a good defensive fight and IMO eventually win a defensive war against Russia, if Europe has a very mild winter. (If it's a harsh winter, I'm not sure what we do with all the frozen Euro's.) But, NATO is not configured well at all for an offensive war, and I see no practical reason why NATO would be interested in such. This leaves us with irrationality (seems unlikely) or cold, calculated aggression, including pretty much complete control of bordering countries.
24 posted on 02/02/2022 5:08:34 PM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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If we’d simply go full bore with natural gas production here, in a few years some of this excrement would solve itself. Ditto if Saudi (divert some defense and “stir up trouble” $$), Jordan (manpower) and Israel (technical expertise & coastline) would cooperate on massive undersea pipelines to Europe.

Of course this is not a total solution — there are still Iranian nukes (likely soon) and Chinese expansion to deal with, but, Putin would be plenty busy with his own problems and Iran much weakened.


25 posted on 02/02/2022 5:47:10 PM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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“I’ve not seen a cogent explanation by any of the Putinistas on here of WHY Putin would, rationally in 2022, be so fearful of NATO.”

Very good points.

The core reason is it has everything to do with internal Russian politics and nothing with NATO.

Russia’s economy and society is in the gutter. Putin’s one trick to staying popular is to promise to be restoring Russia to glory.

* Chechnya 1999
* Georgia 2008
* Ukraine 2014

Each time he grabs a bit of former Soviet territory and the Russian people are delighted, but it has been 8 years since Crimea. Russians are beginning to look around at the corruption and decay and wonder if Putin really is their savior.


26 posted on 02/02/2022 5:56:36 PM PST by Renfrew
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