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'It's just plain unconstitutional': Wisconsin GOP leaders again reject resolution to 'pull back' 2020 electoral votes
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel ^ | 1/26/22 | Molly Beck,

Posted on 01/26/2022 6:27:10 AM PST by Michael.SF.

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To: Michael.SF.
Kari Lake, a Republican candidate for governor in Arizona, then tweeted to her 107,315 followers "**HUGE BREAKING NEWS** -- Wisconsin Assembly Votes to Withdraw Its 10 Electors for Joe Biden in 2020 Election."

Not very good judgment on her part if she thinks it is wise to share links from Gateway Pundit.

21 posted on 01/26/2022 7:18:25 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Michael.SF.

By all means, let stolen elections reign!

Oh! But elections were never stolen, that’s all a BIG LIE! Right?

You do understand the 2020 election was the most safe and secure election in history, don’t you?

DON’T YOU?

Yes you do.


22 posted on 01/26/2022 7:19:06 AM PST by Hostage (Article V)
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To: Alberta's Child

That’s why a resubmitted Declaration of Independence is in order.

Right to King Brandon and his 535 Banana Republic lieutenants


23 posted on 01/26/2022 7:19:18 AM PST by delchiante
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To: Alberta's Child

“...If you don’t identify the problem and address it before the electoral vote, you can’t fix it afterward....”

I don’t think that thought or intent is in the Constitution. When it comes to elections the Constitution gives the states the right and responsibility to conduct elections without interference from the feds - as I read it!!

What say ye!!


24 posted on 01/26/2022 7:37:22 AM PST by elpadre (And here in NC)
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To: Michael.SF.
I don't think it is unconstitutional for Wisconsin to say "we are changing our electors." It's just that it is of no effect under the U.S. Constitution.

Otherwise, you could have a President removed from office simply because one side or the other got control of enough statehouses - and that would include Democrats trying to boot out a Republican President. There simply isn't anything remotely authorizing that anywhere in the Constitution.

25 posted on 01/26/2022 7:42:37 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .)
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To: Michael.SF.

You feeling concerned and ashamed about your potential governor candidate Lake getting something wrong?

Stop.

She’s a damn good candidate.


26 posted on 01/26/2022 7:45:55 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: RBW in PA

“nothing can be done”

Well, that’s not strictly true. For lower offices, there can be judicial and legislative recourses, but for the Presidency, after inauguration, there is only impeachment. It may not be a solution likely to ever happen, but it is a solution.


27 posted on 01/26/2022 7:48:41 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Alberta's Child

“If the statute of limitations has expired by the time the error is discovered, the bank can’t do a damn thing about it.”

Nope. The statute of limitations (in general because the statutes vary by state) “clock” doesn’t start running until the crime or harm is discovered. So if it’s discovered five years after the money is spent, the clock starts at that point and they still have years left to prosecute you.

“If you don’t identify the problem and address it before the electoral vote, you can’t fix it afterward.”

Yes, for the presidency this is absolutely the case, though the real deadline is probably inauguration day since Congress could conceivably still act until the President is sworn in (after that there is only impeachment). So all the people selling some magical solution to remove Biden from office after inauguration day are liars and grifters, or, at best, people living fantasy land.


28 posted on 01/26/2022 7:54:47 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: FreeReign

Her decision showed poor judgement. And there is nothing for me to be ashamed about.


29 posted on 01/26/2022 7:55:50 AM PST by Michael.SF. (Never do anything illegal, when you are doing something illegal. )
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To: elpadre

“When it comes to elections the Constitution gives the states the right and responsibility to conduct elections without interference from the feds ...”

With one important exception: the electoral college vote for President. This is entirely the province of the federal government (except for the states choosing the method to pick electors), and is set in stone in the Constitution itself. That’s why the state legislatures have no recourse after the electoral vote happens.


30 posted on 01/26/2022 7:58:18 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
My thoughts parallel yours as far as the constitutionality of withdrawing the electors.

I would think it would be perfectly legal to take them away from Biden, however awarding them to Trump, may be a separate issue and would require a separate vote of the legislature.

If the situation arose where one states EV's made the difference in the outcome (Florida in 2000) and this occurred, we would see it go to SCOTUS.

31 posted on 01/26/2022 8:00:47 AM PST by Michael.SF. (Never do anything illegal, when you are doing something illegal. )
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To: Alberta's Child
If you don't identify the problem and address it before the electoral vote, you can't fix it afterward.

Publicly identifying it as fraud will go a long ways to fixing the problem. Right now the media liars are able to keep repeating their lies about the election, but if an official action is taken by the Wisconsin legislature, this makes it a lot harder for them to get away with repeating their lies about the election.

It also emboldens other states who might be contemplating removing the veneer of legitimacy from the Biden regime.

It is in the best interests of this nation to spread the belief that Biden is a corrupt illegitimate president. It damages all the right people and it makes it more plausible to fix things.

32 posted on 01/26/2022 8:04:18 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Michael.SF.

Here is the original GP article and the update. So what did GP get wrong? People should read the source material before jumping to conclusions based on leftist media.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/01/huge-breaking-news-wisconsin-assembly-votes-withdraw-10-electors-joe-biden-2020-election-video/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/01/republican-chairman-wi-rules-committee-jim-steineke-says-zero-chance-will-pass-representative-ramthuns-resolution-decertify-2020-election-results/


33 posted on 01/26/2022 8:06:31 AM PST by kabar
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
I don't think it is unconstitutional for Wisconsin to say "we are changing our electors." It's just that it is of no effect under the U.S. Constitution.

We are in uncharted territory here, and I see nothing at all wrong with asserting that the Constitution does not acquiesce to fraud.

We can claim it does not, and force the discussion, which is itself useful to repairing the damage.

Biden should be seen as illegitimate whether it removes him from power or not. He should be undermined because his authority is false.

We should not accept technicalities as a substitute for truth.

34 posted on 01/26/2022 8:08:25 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Boogieman
there is only impeachment. It may not be a solution likely to ever happen, but it is a solution.

It is far more likely to happen if the national public is made to understand Biden was not placed there legitimately in the first place.

States withdrawing the appearance of legitimacy furthers this goal.

35 posted on 01/26/2022 8:10:44 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Perhaps, and I hope you’re correct. But let’s not let ourselves be fooled into thinking that these moves by the states will solve the problem by themselves. There are too many people pushing that fantasy and it does no good.


36 posted on 01/26/2022 8:13:14 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: kabar; All
From your link....

 

Steineke has announced he would not be running for re-election.  No doubt because he knew he was going to get primaried out.  It will be interesting to see what Speaker Vos and the rest of the committee do.

Wisconsin Assembly Rules Committee Members:

Representative Vos
Representative August
Representative Petersen
Representative Vorpagel
Representative Kuglitsch
Representative Tittl
Representative Plumer
Representative Dittrich
Representative Neubauer
Representative Hesselbein
Representative Spreitzer
Representative Subeck
Representative Pope
Representative Baldeh

How can you help? Contact the rules committee members and tell them to put the resolution through.
You can reach your legislator by calling the Legislative Hotline.

In Madison, dial 266-9960. Toll-free, call 1-800-362-9472.

Speaker Vos can be contacted using the below links:

TWITTERhttps://twitter.com/SpeakerVos?s=20

37 posted on 01/26/2022 8:14:10 AM PST by Jane Long (What we were told was a “conspiracy theory” in 2020 is now fact. 🙏🏻 Ps 33:12)
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To: Boogieman
Nope. The statute of limitations (in general because the statutes vary by state) “clock” doesn’t start running until the crime or harm is discovered. So if it’s discovered five years after the money is spent, the clock starts at that point and they still have years left to prosecute you.

That makes no sense. If the bank sends you $10 million in error today, you withdraw it and spend it tomorrow, and the bank sends you a January bank statement on February 1st showing the erroneous deposit and withdrawal, then how the hell can they say with a straight face that they didn't "discover" the crime for five years? They sent you a bank statement with all the evidence of your crime that they needed to prosecute you.

38 posted on 01/26/2022 8:17:07 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Mr. Potato Head ... Mr. Potato Head! Back doors are not secrets.")
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To: Michael.SF.
To me, this would be analogous to a bill being passed by both Houses, and signed by the President, only for one member of the House to subsequently change his mind, "reverse his vote", and argue the law should be deemed null and void because he changed his mind. That would be a complete end-run around the normal process for repealing a law, and constitutionally invalid.

States are given a specific period of time to select their electors, and the electors then cast their votes on a specific date. Once they have cast their votes and that vote has been counted and certified, their role is over. A legislature subsequently deciding "gee, we should have sent different electors", or a elector subsequently decided they really should have voted for something else, is of no legal or constitutional effect. You can't "unvote" after the votes have been cast and counted.

I think some conservatives who are arguing for this to benefit Trump aren't considering that it is a weapon that both sides could subsequently use to undo an election.

39 posted on 01/26/2022 8:18:24 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .)
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To: DiogenesLamp
I think you are absolutely right about that.

Anyone who thinks the 2020 election can be reversed is a nitwit at best and a lying fraud at worst.

The one legitimate purpose to "litigating" the election endlessly is to undermine this corrupt, decrepit clown in the White House.

40 posted on 01/26/2022 8:18:47 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Mr. Potato Head ... Mr. Potato Head! Back doors are not secrets.")
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