Posted on 01/22/2022 6:29:11 PM PST by TigerClaws
NATO without Germany is an absurdity.
I have wondered since 1989 when Germany would pick sides and get back in the game.
We are about to find out.
I guess a fake Russian dossier wouldn’t be enough to destroy him?
Maybe the Russian version of Pelosi try to impeach him twice?
Ironic, isn't it.? The SOB's of DC are blind and stupid.. Or is that that us, American sheeple. :(
“The Eastern Ukraine is ethnic Russian”
And how often have we fallen for the neocon trick about polls, or surveys, or testimony from experts, about how a majority of [Vietnamese, Iraqis, Afghans, Somalis, Kosovars, Libyans, now Ukrainians] want freedom and democracy, or what passes for them in globohomo, and all they need is a few rifles, and some advisers to show them what toilet paper is for, and an offer of NATO membership, and...
Germany is about to switch sides.
Count on it. It’s the smart move, as Michael said about Tessio, Germany was always smarter.
As soon as you realize that 1950s America is the neocon's Main Enemy, and they will not let up until the last embers are extinguished, everything since November 22, 1963 kind of snaps into focus.
Hell no.
Why?
EFF THIS !
BTTT
For what possible reason? 😏
According to polls, your friend is right. Nobody there likes him.
Ukrainian presidents never remain popular for very long after taking office. It’s usually only months before they fall from grace in the eyes of the people. While Zelenskyy was considered “wildly popular” after winning 70% of the vote, in less than a year he became “The Unpopular Populist.” That’s just Ukraine for you.
Biden and his stooges plan in action buy stocks before using it.
“...legally not members of the UN...”
Typo. Should have typed in NATO when I was reading an article about the UN while we were discussing NATO. My apologies.
“The old Partnership for Peace program was a polite fiction...”
It very well could have been but it’s parameters were a practical bilateral cooperation between individual Euro-Atlantic partner countries and NATO. It allowed partners to build up an individual relationship with NATO, choosing their own priorities for cooperation and according to what I’ve found is still thriving as there are 20 countries in the program.
And you are correct in making the effort toward NATO gaining in numbers as the program is designed to create a better understanding. It has lead to 14 countries joining NATO from the program. But it does it by weaning them in by their choice and what they want out of it. Cyprus is the only European Union member state that is neither a NATO member state nor a member, at least, of the Partnership For Peace program.
wy69
“We have no security interest in Ukraine”.
But we DO in a refreshened Soviet Union.
Given the latest threat to Western peace, your tagline needs work.
I say let them have it. It’s their area.
Why? Because I'm glad I'm on the tail-end of my life, and that I have no grandchildren to be indoctrinated by the commies who teach our kids today, and the war mongers who would send them off to war, to be cannon fodder? I'm grateful for all the things the Lord has given me, and the life he has allowed me to live. Are you??
” turn the Ukraine problem over to the EU - now!!!”
Be careful what you wish for.
On FR there was criticism in 2017 to 2020 about the noises made by France of an “EU army” - and the proposal didn’t go anywhere because NATO exists.
Now assume that the EU is supposed to take over all of its defense and the USA isolates itself, what would happen?
1. The EU would be forced to change from a loose confederation to a federation.
2. It would get militaristic and ultimately be a threat to the USA (not anytime soon)
This opens up a can of worms - similar to if the USA withdrew from Japan.
Right now, the EU and Japan are tied close to the USA. Without NATO and the US presence in Japan, then we would have them as rivals that would slowly grow apart from the USA.
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