[Qilin]

I just carefully watched the State Farm security cam video again. The election workers in the room never stopped counting ballots. They were counting ballots when the Republican observers left the room at 10:45pm and they were still counting ballots when Richard Barron called at 10:58pm. The Republican observers left that room under their own volition while ballots were still being counted.

If you don't believe me then please watch the video for yourself. You can find the video here. Let me know if you need help navigating it. Note that the Republican observers (man in blue jacket and pink shirt and lady with gray hair) leave the room at 10:44:56.

Tracy Pick, Giuliani's assistant during the Georgia Senate Election hearing, said this in her televised testimony in front of Georgia state legislators:

Look at the ladies in yellow. You'll see that they'll begin just sitting still, doing nothing. Obstensibly not working because, after all, they said they were going to stop counting. They will wait until the witnesses -- the press and the observers in that roped off area -- leave the room. Then you'll see them move into action scanning ballots.

But none of this is true. This is just misinformation intended to mislead GA state legislators and the American public. Ballot counting never stopped. The Republicans observers left of their own accord while ballots were still being counted.

Does anyone find this troubling?

[The_Media_never_lie]

Qilin:

Re: Post #70

It makes me wonder who to believe. There is a lawsuit under way by the folks whose integrity was impugned by these allegations. We will see the results of that suit.

It has recently been alleged that video surveillance data from drop box cameras was required to be secured for 22 months, but has been destroyed. Have you heard that?

[semimojo]

Does anyone find this troubling?

Troubling but not surprising.

There's a certain breed of cynical manipulators, like Rudy and Bannon, who've understood for years that for a lot of people we're way past principle.

That's why you never see them make arguments based on principle, only on resentment and fear.

To that end truth and reality are seen as inconvenient impediments to the goal.

There are also a lot of otherwise well-meaning people who have gotten caught up in their manipulations to the point they see everything as tribal.

What matters is the other side losing, and if we need to sacrifice a little of our integrity to make that happen, so be it.

The other side wants to destroy us so promoting a few lies so we can kill them first is a valid trade-off. We'll stop to worry about our souls after we've smitten our enemies.

My issue is with the manipulators, because they're going down this nihilistic path knowingly and for personal gain, and they won't be there to clean up the mess when they're done.

[Qilin]

You can see for yourself that the Republican observers leave the room at State Farm arena while absentee ballots are still being counted. Watch the videos at the two links below. In both these videos fast forward to 59:00, which corresponds to 10:44:00PM EST.

View of ballot counting table
The video at this link shows the view of the tables where the ballot counting is being done. There are three poll workers (the two ladies in yellow and Ruby Freeman daughter's, Wandrea Moss) counting ballots. The Republican observers start to walk across the room towards the door at 10:44:55PM and have exited the room twelve seconds later at 10:45:07PM. Notice that ballot counting is taking place this entire time and the workers take little or no notice of the departure of the poll watchers. After media and the poll watchers have the room left ballot counting continues unchanged.

View of poll watchers/media
The video at this link shows the view of the table where media and partisan poll watchers are located. Again, fast forward to 59:00. As in the previous video, this corresponds to 10:44:00PM EST. The two Republican poll watchers are the man in the dark jacket with the pink shirt and the older lady with gray hair in a ponytail.

So we see that ballot counting never stopped. The Republican poll watchers left that room at State Farm Arena of their own accord while absentee ballots were still being counted. This is quite a bit different from the script that we were told by Giuliani and his associates, isn't it?