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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
You're both a liar and idiot if you think Putin is going to invade nations or part of nations and take them over against their will. There IS NO EVIDENCE he would do that. That false assumption is the whole premise for unnecessary tension between Russia and this nation and the West, tension, at worst, that could lead to an unnecessary war.

Putin and the Russians are ABSOLUTELY right about both Crimea and Donetsk. The people in those region, of their own freewill, no longer wanted to be a part of Ukraine after the Ukraine revolution in 2014, which was both undemocratic and a violation of the Ukraine constitution. Revolutions have consequences. Part of those consequences is they divide a nation. Those that didn't want a revolution shouldn't be forced by Ukrainian government to be a part of Ukraine anymore. WHO THE HELL ARE WE to demand otherwise?

And, again, you fall right in line with Obama/Biden/Soros/globalist agenda to use Ukraine as a weapon to destroy Russia. That is the objective. And, there is no question those pushing that agenda are the aggressors in all of this.

People like you are dangerous. There is absolutely no reason for us to believe involved in anyway with a potential military conflict with Russia, which would leave us in peace if we returned the favor.

66 posted on 12/26/2021 8:58:42 AM PST by Kazan
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To: Kazan
There IS NO EVIDENCE he would do that.

Only if you dismiss two invasions, one of Georgia and and another of Ukraine, as evidence lol. In which case, I'd call YOU the Liar and the Idiot for denying this. Remember when Russia used to deny the presence of Russian forces in Crimea and Donetsk, and then turned around months later to hand out war medals to forces that had occupied those areas? There never was any organic "separatists." They came from Russia and were trained in Russian FSB camps.

The people in those region, of their own freewill, no longer wanted to be a part of Ukraine

Based on what vote? Sevestopol in Crimea had 123% voter turnout due to obvious fraud. 98% of the peninsula, despite large numbers of Crimean Tatars and millions of Ukrainians, supposedly voted to split from the country. Meanwhile, all reports on the ground indicated almost no voter turnout in large swathes of Crimea:

"In Sevastopol, the largest city in Crimea, turnout for Sunday's referendum reached an astonishing 123% of registered voters. There may be an explanation for this number that doesn't involve the simple stuffing of ballot boxes:

"One reporter from Kiev showed his Russian passport and was handed a ballot and allowed to vote. This raised questions in Kiev if perhaps the Russian soldiers and Russian paramilitary occupying the area since late February had been allowed to cast votes."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidadesnik/2014/03/18/how-russia-rigged-crimean-referendum/?sh=45dbe4586d41

"Despite the reported unusually high voter turnout in Crimea, eyewitnesses stated that there were no lines and that many voting stations were nearly empty. This was just one of the irregularities reported during the “referendum”. Among others: Russian citizens who did not hold a Ukrainian passport were allowed to vote, and members of the so-called election commissions, accompanied by police, forced those who did not want to go to polling stations to vote in the street, according to censor.net.ua. Voter turnout was “reinforced” by nearly 90,000 phantom voters in Sevastopol. In late 2013 there were 385,462 citizens in Sevastopol, according to the Sevastopol Statistics Service. This number included children under 18 and other people not eligible to vote. However, Mykhailo Malyshev, Chair of the Crimea Supreme Council Referendum Commission, stated that in Sevastopol alone 474,137 voters participated in the “referendum”, making Sevastopol’s voter turnout 123 percent. Moreover, even those who decided against boycotting the “referendum”, did not have the option to vote for preserving the current status of Crimea: the ballots provided two unconnected options to vote for: either Crimea becoming a part of Russia, or the restoration of the 1992 Crimean Constitution with Crimea remaining a part of Ukraine.

https://uacrisis.org/en/831-crimean-referendum-fraud-neo-nazis-over-100-turnout

"The Russian government’s claims that the March 16 referendum in Crimea resulted in a 96.7% vote in favor of annexation were always extremely dubious. But now, as Paul Roderick Gregory of Forbes points out, a report by Russia’s official Presidential Council on Civil Society and Human Rights suggests that the real numbers were far different from those previously claimed:

"The website of the “President of Russia’s Council on Civil Society and Human Rights” posted a blog that was quickly taken down as if it were toxic radioactive waste. According to the Council’s report about the March referendum to annex Crimea, the turnout was a maximum 30%. And of these, only half voted for annexation – meaning only 15 percent of Crimean citizens voted for annexation.

"The fate of Crimea, therefore, was decided by the 15 percent of Crimeans, who voted in favor of unification with Russia (under the watchful eye of Kalashnikov-toting soldiers).

"Although the report appears to be absent from the English-Language Council website linked by Forbes, it is still available at the Council’s Russian-language website here. The report states that it is based on interviews with numerous Crimean officials, experts, civil society leaders, and ordinary citizens. Gregory has somewhat misinterpreted the figures there, which nonetheless are far different from those previously claimed by the Russian government."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/05/06/russian-government-agency-reveals-fraudulent-nature-of-the-crimean-referendum-results/

NOW Crimea might vote to remain with Russia... after all, Putin has stuffed the place with Russkies from the mainland, with some estimates indicating at least 1 million Russian orcs and goblins being moved into the place!

after the Ukraine revolution in 2014, which was both undemocratic and a violation of the Ukraine constitution.

What's more undemocratic: obvious voter fraud in Crimea, or the Ukrainian parliament unanimously voting to remove the Russian puppet after he had already fled the country, followed up with multiple elections where 70-80% of the population votes to resist Russian aggression and stay the course for NATO membership?

And, again, you fall right in line with Obama/Biden/Soros/globalist agenda to use Ukraine as a weapon to destroy Russia.

This is just your stupid BS "guilt by association" nonsense to ignore the vast criminal behavior of your KGB daddy in Moscow. There is no greater supporter for globalism than Moscow itself, which supports every communist nation and movement across planet Earth. And why not? 70-80% of the Russian government, for all those positions susceptible to government appointment, is staffed with KGB and current FSB members. Scores of KGB defectors all state that the fall of Communism in Russia was a sham: the KGB still runs the country!

Meanwhile, your other daddys, the Obama/Biden regime, is doing NOTHING while the "former" USSR prepares to take Ukraine.

But since you are a LIAR and an IDIOT, you choose to pretend otherwise, even blaming ME of being the leftwing propagandist! When it's YOU who are the useful idiot! LOL.

People like you are dangerous.

People like you are literally the tools of the KGB/FSB, an organization that has ruined the country and continues to instigate for the collapse of NATO and the world domination of international communism.

67 posted on 12/26/2021 9:14:34 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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