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To: Jim Noble; hardspunned

There may be ties of some sort between Ukraine leaders and prominent Democrats, Hillary being one. Hints along this line sometimes show up in stories about the the Russia hoax. It’s murky like everything else involving Clinton and that story but if there’s something to it that could explain the odd willingness to blunder into a war with Russia.


71 posted on 12/26/2021 7:16:16 PM PST by Pelham (Q is short for quack )
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To: Pelham; Jim Noble; hardspunned
***There may be ties of some sort between Ukraine leaders and prominent Democrats, Hillary being one.***

FYI, the Ukrainians Hillary and the Bidens were working with were the PRO-RUSSIA faction. There are 2 opposing factions in the Ukraine. One supportive of Putin and Russia, the other, just the opposite. The owner of Burisma, for example, is a Putin ally. In fact, he was an official in the puppet regime that Putin had installed in the Ukraine via a rigged election. Putin has been protecting him, going so far as to offer the Ukrainians a $6 million dollar bribe to call off the investigation.

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Rudy Giuliani, Sean Hannity show, Fox News, May 2019...

GIULIANI: He [Hunter Biden] was working for the most corrupt company in the Ukraine [Burisma]. He was working for [Mykola Zlochevsky] a Ukrainian oligarch who was being protected by Putin. The same Putin that we have been hearing about for all this time, right? Imagine that.

GIULIANI [continuing]: Putin's friend was paying Joe's son three, four, five, possibly more, millions of dollars. And he got under investigation. And Joe bragged two years later that he got the prosecutor general fired. He just left out of it that the prosecutor general was investigating his son and his son's crooked boss [Putin's friend]. And then afterwards, the case disappeared."
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Massive bribe to stop Ukraine probe of Burisma founder intercepted
by Bradford Betz | Fox News | June 14, 2020

[excerpt]
Ukrainian officials on Saturday announced they intercepted a $6 million bribe attempt to stop a criminal investigation into the president of Burisma ..."

[Ukraine's anti-corruption prosecutor Nazar] Kholodnitsky and the head of the national anti-corruption bureau, Artem Sytnik, said the bribe was intended to encourage their offices to halt a probe of Mykola Zlochevsky, the head of Burisma and a former minister of ecology. ..."
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"PRO-RUSSIAN corrupt officials"

--Rudy Giuliani
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Giuliani: “The fact is, this was a massive collusion between the Democratic National Committee, officials of the Obama administration, (Hillary) Clinton people, and the Ukrainian officials, corrupt officials, who, by the way, were pro-Russian corrupt officials"
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"Burisma Holdings is owned by Brociti Investments Limited, a Cyprus-based company owned by Ukrainian former politician and businessman Mykola Zlochevsky.

Zlochevsky was minister of natural resources under Viktor Yanukovych, the [RUSSIA-ALLIED] president of Ukraine.[34]

Brociti Investments acquired Burisma Holdings in 2011.[35] Before that acquisition, Mykola Zlochevsky and Mykola Lisin each owned a 50% interest in Burisma Holdings.[12][35][36]

Lisin, a Ukrainian politician, died in a traffic accident in 2011.[36] ..."

--Wikipedia

73 posted on 12/26/2021 9:39:41 PM PST by Exposing Fake Patriots
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To: Pelham

***There may be ties of some sort between Ukraine leaders and prominent Democrats, Hillary being one. Hints along this line sometimes show up in stories about the the Russia hoax.***

You apparently didn’t hear, but the primary subsource for the Steele Dossier, Igor Danchenko, was a Russian spy. His job was to dig up dirt on TRUMP, not Hillary!

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Steele’s Dossier Source Was a Suspected Russian Spy
Andrew C. McCarthy, National Review, Sept 26, 2020

In an effort to depict Donald Trump as if he were in an espionage conspiracy with the Kremlin, the Obama administration used bogus information, from a man the FBI suspected was an actual Russian spy.

It turns out that Igor Danchenko, the man the FBI suspected of being an actual Russian spy, initially provided the bogus information about the American, Carter Page, through a former British spy, Christopher Steele.

Through a couple of cut-outs, Steele had been retained by the Clinton campaign to dig up - or, alas, to make up - Russian dirt on Trump.

Through his private intelligence business in London, Steele was known to be working for Russian oligarchs, while Danchenko was on Steele’s payroll.

That is, the Clinton campaign, and ultimately the Obama administration, colluded with Russians for the purpose of accusing Donald Trump of . . . yes . . . colluding with Russians.”

—Andrew C. McCarthy, National Review, Sept 26, 2020
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Senator Lindsey Graham (R), Chairman, Senate Judiciary Committee
July 27, 2020:

“He [Igor Danchenko, working for Christopher Steele] calls up a bunch of people in Russia.
Who do you think this information came from? It came from the Russian intelligence service.”
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Rep. Devin Nunes (R-California), Ranking Member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, on Robert Mueller’s May 29, 2019 press conference...

Nunes: “Well, he [Mueller] should have been gone after day two. He has no Russians, except for the Fusion and Clinton Russians, and possibly the dirty cop, the FBI’s Russians, those are the only Russians that he has, to show ‘connections’ to the Trump campaign.

Clearly, the Clinton operation is heavily working with Russians or Russian disinformation.
He didn’t take time to look into any of that”


74 posted on 12/26/2021 9:39:41 PM PST by Exposing Fake Patriots
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