Posted on 12/21/2021 11:21:59 AM PST by C210N
With their cuddling up to the Communists to spread a virus, destroying the US Energy sector, knocking the pins out of global distribution chains, encouraging rioting and undermining elections, the Left has been throwing gasoline everywhere in preparation for lighting a match.
Military industrial complex. There’s no money to be made if we’re not at war with someone.
I think it likely that any war in Ukraine would cost votes for democrats in 22 so what does Putin want from Biden to stand down? I bet it’s something substantial like Crimea.
“Yeah, that’s why he declared war on the US right after Pearl Harbor when things were already starting to go bad on the Eastern Front with the USSR.”
Hitler had promised the Japanese he would declare war on the US if they attacked the British and American fleets. The Pearl Harbor attack would not have gone forward without explicit German promises to go to war with the US, and the First Air Fleet was not given the execute order for their attack until they had that guarantee from Hitler. For his part, Hitler wanted the large Japanese fleet in the war against the British. It didn’t matter much to him whether British ships were sunk in the Pacific or Atlantic. Clearly, didn’t go as planned. But there was a flawed reasoning behind it.
Stalin’s spies in Tokyo told him the Japanese were not going to confront the USSR so Stalin sent over 500,000 troops west to reinforce the Eastern Front. German intelligence picked up on that.
So if it made sense, it only made sense for a very short time and was a stupid gamble from the start.
And after Hitler declared war on the USA he knew they would eventually invade Europe, not join the Russians on that front.
The North Africa and Italian campaigns drew off critically needed German forces away from the Eastern front.
Ror many reasons Hitler was a bungler of the first degree.
The whole war was a stupid gamble on the Axis powers’ part. I said there was flawed reasoning behind it, not strategic genius. “The Wages of Destruction: The Making and Breaking of the Nazi Economy” by Adam Tooze throws a clear contrast between the economic power of Nazi Germany compared to the UK and US. They had absolutely no business starting a war, especially with their catastrophic lack of petroleum. And the Japanese were even more outclassed by the US economy. The whole thing was utterly mad. But aggressive tyrants gonna aggressive tyrant. Eyes on Ukraine and Taiwan...
Since 2004, I have asked myself one question... Is this worth planting one of my son’s...
And still, the answer is no
As I remember, the attack on Pearl Harbor was a big surprise to the Germans. The Germans and Japanese were notorious for not sharing plans during the war.
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The Pearl Harbor attack was a surprise to the Germans. Not the Japanese declaration of war on the US. That had been the subject of explicit negotiation between Tokyo and Berlin. The Japanese would not attack the United States without a guarantee from Hitler that he would declare war on the US. They didn’t however, share specific operational plans with the Germans.
You are correct.
I highly recommend Victor Davis Hanson’s “The Second World Wars”. He spells it out in great detail and masterfully. Outstanding book.
Leave it to the war mongering RATs to get us into a war.
Amen to that!
It is Russia’s border, not ours. They have a reason to be there, we don’t.
Have you heard of the Budapest Memorandum? It was signed when Ukraine agreed to give up its nuclear weapons in the 1990’s. If you actually read the piece of paper the United States signed, in order to get Ukraine to disarm, you will see we actually do have a reason to be there. We gave our word.
The Budapest Memorandum
On December 5, 1994 the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, Britain and the United States signed a memorandum to provide Ukraine with security assurances in connection with its accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state. The four parties signed the memorandum, containing a preamble and six paragraphs. The memorandum reads as follows:[10]
The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,
Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as non-nuclear-weapon State,
Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,
Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the Cold War, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces.
Confirm the following:
1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.
2. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
3. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
4. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.
5. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm, in the case of Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a State in association or alliance with a nuclear-weapon State.
6. Ukraine, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America will consult in the event a situation arises that raises a question concerning these commitments.
— Memorandum on Security Assurances in Connection with Ukraine’s Accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons[10]
If you are familiar with the diplomatic speak, the ultimatum is not about clashes between Russian and American troops, but about limited preemptive strikes on NATO infrastructure, primarily in Poland and Baltic states. I am sure they will be performed to minimize the American casualties, except on the Redzikowo USAF site, which is manned by the American personnel.
I think Putin is tired of gaslighting and finally delivers his own three-way zugzwang to Biden.
The first way for Biden is to ignore the ultimatum, continuing sable rattling, and face the destruction of the military infrastructure in East Europe. That would be Putin’s move NATO has no sensible response to, resulting in the deterioration of the American reputation as a power broker - a no-good situation.
The second way is after getting the first result to try a military response to save face, triggering a WWIII in process. I understand that the idiocy runs high with the current political establishment, but it is too much to be real.
The third and the most reasonable is to consider Putin’s terms and accept the ultimatum.
It doesn’t take a genius to know which is better.
Ah, that’s right. I forgot you think the Ukes are all Nazis and that Stalin should have killed them all in the 1930’s Holodomor.
Well, whatever.
“It is Russia’s border, not ours. They have a reason to be there, we don’t.”
We do not have any troops stationed in Russia. At least none that I know of.
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