Posted on 12/21/2021 11:21:59 AM PST by C210N
MOSCOW, December 21. / TASS /. The US is building up a forward military presence near Russia’s borders, deploying about 8,000 troops in Eastern Europe, Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said at the expanded meeting of the Defense Ministry Board on Tuesday.
"The US is scaling up its forward military presence near the Russian borders. In Eastern Europe, some 8,000 US troops have been deployed. As for the grouping of US troops in Germany, the Command Theater Engagement has been recreated there. Until 1991, it was responsible for using medium-range missiles," the defense minister noted. According to Shoigu, it is necessary to have strike missile weapons.
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Pretty widely known. As mentioned by someone else, Victor Davis Hanson has some good stuff on the subject. And again, Tooze discusses it some in his book, though it mainly focuses on economic matters—but Hitler would be the first to tell you that he was waging an economic war. He considered his military as a means to improve the German economy—through war and conquest, thus his alliances had economic reasoning as well. Getting the Japanese on his side woud be a big bonus to him, since they had a big fleet and he didn’t, and the excellent Italian navy was confined to the Med and could barely sorty due to lack of oil anyway.
Nope, this scenario is perfectly realistic. What idiot is going to escalate further? Are you going to get incinerated over issue which is perfectly minor from an American perspective but totally existential for the Russians?
Dig deeper into the wording of the ultimatum. It makes clear to the West Europeans that this is not their fight, putting more pressure on NATO.
Putin was very rarely so straightforward and I don’t remember a single time when he failed to deliver on a promise.
Hitler thought Soviet Russia would fold up like a house of cards—he was wrong. Best advice—Don’t go to war on their home turf with Russia. Russian’s aint Iraqi’s. We might not win this one.
Hitler thought Soviet Russia would fold up like a house of cards—he was wrong. Best advice—Don’t go to war on their home turf with Russia. Russian’s aint Iraqi’s. We might not win this one.
There’s no way we can beat the Russian’s in their own backyard. It’s been tried. No one can.
One cannot be sure of this; at least on the Eastern Front the Germans came very close.
Even a declaration of war against USSR by Japan — without actual attack — would have made a difference, possibly decisive.
But the point I was making was merely that the Germany declaration of war against the US aimed at exactly avoiding a multi-front war! Even without this declaration we probably would have seen US entering the European war and probably on a similar time frame.
Come on, we're 8 and 1!!
Bill Murray, in Stripes,
Sadly, I am well versed in bull**** bureaucratese.
A multiplatform force multiplier is a fancy way of saying you can link multiple units, weapon systems, sensors, and etc. to cause a military force to act as one single organism. This magnifies the effect on the enemy when they’re still acting at the unit level.
For instance you can link tanks and artillery to act as a single artillery force. You can also tie in individual troops and their anti-tank missiles to neutralize targets that are not line of sight. And you can link all of the above to fire TOT.
This kind of capability is called a multiplatform force multiplier.
The Russians have some capabilities like this but NATO has this kind of thing in spades. NATO has MFP’s no one’s even tried yet just because the reason isn’t there.
In any case when you see it in action you realize that an MFP capability is a weapon unto itself.
Sad part is Radio Free America was broadcasting communist agitprop that would align up with target audiences countries internal false gaslighting narratives to demoralize and break the eastern block dissidents; while Americans thought our media were honest and helping fight tyranny as that was the purpose right? Solzenitzyn mentions this as have others - see I aay globalists have been consistent and at it for a long while.
Stumble your way outta Afghanistan, belly up to to bar to threaten the bear. Yeah, that makes sense.
Not all. Just Svoboda and the Direlewanger unit. And units that use the Wolfsangel logo. The ones that the Kiev coup sent east as quickly as they could. Coup governments need to get the street rowdys out of town as soon as they can.
And I see you are right in line with McCain, Nuland, Biden, Romney, Milley and Merkel. They appreciate your shill.
By the way, did you know you can take a direct flight to Kiev, and volunteer to go fight? Is there some reason you aren’t going?
“Don’t go to war on their home turf with Russia. Russian’s ain’t Iraqi’s. “
The Russian Air Force will dominate the air. Ukraine Air Force made of really old Russian equipment would be deiminated in a day. They could do their own version of Shock and Awe.
“There’s no way we can beat the Russian’s in their own backyard. It’s been tried. No one can.”
The Russians do well when faced with a frontal assault. No argument from me on that point.
Yet the weakness of the Russians is that their governments tend to be driven by charismatic leaders and when those leaders fail (like Gorbachev did when he got toppled) the faith in the system fails because the state is the leader and the leader is the state.
Seriously, all of the NATO tanks combined did not defeat the USSR. But Boris Yeltsin did so with one tank.
Putin is the same thing. He’s the face of the state and he is synonymous with state power.
And he has enemies.
Who can be helped to oust him.
Could have sworn qween nanzi before Trump left office had a congressional hissy fit and required that her committees and full house resolutions have to approve all military muscle flexing.
Hmmm. Mostly, the last guy tried to keep us from getting into another kerfuffle. Weird huh?
“Is there some reason you aren’t going?”
I haven’t been asked. I’m a little old for that crap but if I was called up I’d go.
The Germans were caught by surprise by Pearl Harbor and their declaration of war basically only codified what was already a reality in the Atlantic. Our destroyers were already escorting convoys and chasing subs. The Willow Run plant was in full operation 6 months before the war and sending Liberators to Britain.
Six months before Pearl Harbor when the Bismarck was sunk, she was located by a US Navy PBY crew with a sheep dipped RAF man aboard.
Hitler’s declaration was merely a recognition that the war was already underway.
“at least on the Eastern Front the Germans came very close.”
Not really. Even had they taken Moscow or Stalingrad, that wouldn’t have changed a thing. The line would have dropped back by so many miles and the fight would have continued. Napoleon took Moscow... The Germans never had the strength to take the whole thing. Their only faint hope was to act as liberators and turn the Russian people against Stalin.
But the blockheads went into their rape, pillage and murder act. All that did was stiffen Russian hate and resolve.
The real question is why Germany TODAY feels like they should have a seat at the table on the eastern front. It’s depraved to let them influence things for the 4th Reich.
“Seriously, all of the NATO tanks combined did not defeat the USSR. But Boris Yeltsin did so with one tank.
Putin is the same thing. He’s the face of the state and he is synonymous with state power.
And he has enemies.
Who can be helped to oust him.”
This primitive way of thinking is the primary reason why the CIA regime-change operation failed in Russia as is the attempt to control civil society.
The dynamics in 1980s were that the people viewed the Soviet regime as their problem, and the West is their friend.
Today the public sentiments are exactly the opposite. Everybody remembers the Yeltsin regime in Russia and nobody wants it repeated.
“For instance you can link tanks and artillery to act as a single artillery force. You can also tie in individual troops and their anti-tank missiles to neutralize targets that are not line of sight. And you can link all of the above to fire TOT.”
Yeah, it works just like that. /s
Sounds like you have never served. You would know how a brochure from Lockheed Martin isn’t exactly how things work in real life.
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