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Two over-the-counter drugs effective against coronavirus. What does it mean? There is a warning
Sparks Chronicle ^ | 12/16/21

Posted on 12/18/2021 5:10:18 AM PST by BusterDog

Two popular over-the-counter compounds (diphenhydramine and lactoferrin) reduce COVID-19 replication by 99%. This was shown by laboratory studies of scientists from Florida

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To: BusterDog

Other places when you search for lactoferrin, the supplement “bovine colostrum” comes up. I would guess it is in the milk that a recently freshened Holstein feeds its new calf on. Same as breast-feeding human moms give their new-born babes—a LOT of it.


21 posted on 12/18/2021 7:13:53 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Well. Wow. You are incorrect. But thanks for revealing you don’t know much about structural chemistry.


22 posted on 12/18/2021 7:15:03 AM PST by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: BusterDog

Thank you. In the article they referred to a milk supplement and assumed that’s what you meant.


23 posted on 12/18/2021 7:40:22 AM PST by Mean Daddy (Every time Hillary lies, a demon gets its wings. - Windflier)
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To: ConservativeMind

I haven’t had any luck finding fresh breast milk lately.


24 posted on 12/18/2021 7:44:42 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: ConservativeMind

What about male breast milk?


25 posted on 12/18/2021 8:06:16 AM PST by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: sopo

Or you can just make your own HCQ and take a dose everyday mixed with some tonic water. We have been doing this for a week now along with the army of daily supplements we take. So far not a sniffle for the past two years.


26 posted on 12/18/2021 8:07:54 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: BusterDog
I posted a thread with study write up on this a week or two ago.

Both lactoferrin, and diphenhydramine, are available Over The Counter.

If taking them only during the time infected, it's effectively not much different than taking an allergy pill (it's Benadryl) with a really good whey protein.

Have there ever been doctors or researcher who said not to take those at the same time?

Never. For me and my family and friends, since so may states do not allow people to get the antibodies under 65, I heartily recommend having these available to use against COVID-19, during the time of infection. I would not use the diphenhydramine as a preventative, though, as it is somewhat associated with brain issues later in life.

27 posted on 12/18/2021 8:14:45 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: gas_dr
"Well. Wow. You are incorrect. But thanks for revealing you don’t know much about structural chemistry."

PhD Chemist here. Wife is also. Me, analytical/nuclear, she organischer/organometallic.

Lactoferrin is lactoferrin. If it has a different structure, then it is a different molecule, and not lactoferrin.

28 posted on 12/18/2021 8:14:54 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (Not Responding to Seagull Snark)
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To: BusterDog

Amantadine, which is mentioned in the article, has been used for decades as a parkinson’s drug and has been known for decades to protect people from the Flu.

My wife has been taken it for at least 20 years, and the only side effect is splotchy dark spots on her calves. She did test positive for covid in 2020 (she is in a nursing home), but she had no symptoms at all.


29 posted on 12/18/2021 8:23:10 AM PST by babygene (hMake America Great Again)
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To: Wonder Warthog
organischer?

Bist du eine Deutschlander?

30 posted on 12/18/2021 8:30:12 AM PST by null and void (Newspapers, The Prints of Lies)
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To: null and void
"Bist du eine Deutschlander?"

Nein...chemistry curriculum required four semesters of either French or German. Really enjoyed my German classes, though. Got pretty good at it, but no real opportunity to use it. Fifty years ago.....

31 posted on 12/18/2021 8:35:33 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (Not Responding to Seagull Snark)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Ever here of enantiomers doc? Give me a break. There are functionalities with the different stereochemistry of lactoferrin. You know that. I don’t think although with iron there may also be a redux state that changes function.

Doesn’t sound like you are a Ph.D in chemistry with your statements.


32 posted on 12/18/2021 8:37:27 AM PST by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: gas_dr
"Ever here of enantiomers doc?

Yup. Forgot more about enantiomers than you were ever taught.

"There are functionalities with the different stereochemistry of lactoferrin. You know that. I don’t think although with iron there may also be a redux state that changes function."

And those different stereochemistries will each have their own proper specific name denoting each different state...just because you fail to use proper nomenclature to FULLY denote what you're talking about is not my problem.

33 posted on 12/18/2021 8:48:23 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (Not Responding to Seagull Snark)
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To: Wonder Warthog
About the same time since I took German in high school. Got to use it once IRL in Zurich to a street vendor while on a business trip.

Swiss will insist on speaking English to an English speaking foreigner. They apparently do not, as a Swiss colleague allowed, want a non-Swiss to develop a Swiss accent. It's a security thing.

Got to use it one more time in the elevator in the parking structure at the airport, I held the door for a woman, she said 'Danke' I replied with 'Bitte'. She immediately switched to English.

ONE WORD in German. She identified that I was not a native speaker, recognized the accent and knew the language!

Impressive place, Switzerland...

34 posted on 12/18/2021 8:49:51 AM PST by null and void (Newspapers, The Prints of Lies)
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To: BusterDog

Effects of fexofenadine, diphenhydramine, and alcohol on driving performance. A randomized, placebo-controlled trial in the Iowa driving simulator.

Abstract
Background: Sedating antihistamines may impair driving performance as seriously as alcohol.

Objective: To compare the effects of fexofenadine, diphenhydramine, alcohol, and placebo on driving performance.

Design: Randomized, double-blind, double-dummy, four-treatment, four-period crossover trial.

Setting: The Iowa Driving Simulator.

Participants: 40 licensed drivers with seasonal allergic rhinitis who were 25 to 44 years of age.

Intervention: One dose of fexofenadine (60 mg), diphenhydramine (50 mg), alcohol (approximately 0.1% blood alcohol concentration), or placebo, given at weekly intervals before participants drove for 1 hour in the Iowa Driving Simulator.

Measurements: The primary end point was coherence, a continuous measure of participants’ ability to match the varying speed of a vehicle that they were following. Secondary end points were drowsiness and other driving measures, including lane keeping and response to a vehicle that unexpectedly blocked the lane ahead.

Results: Participants had significantly better coherence after taking alcohol or fexofenadine than after taking diphenhydramine. Lane keeping (steering instability and crossing the center line) was impaired after alcohol and diphenhydramine use compared with fexofenadine use. Mean response time to the blocking vehicle was slowest after alcohol use (2.21 seconds) compared with fexofenadine use (1.95 seconds). Self-reported drowsiness did not predict lack of coherence and was weakly associated with minimum following distance, steering instability, and leftlane excursion.

Conclusions: Participants had similar performance when treated with fexofenadine or placebo. After alcohol use, participants performed the primary task well but not the secondary tasks; as a result, overall driving performance was poorer.

After participants took diphenhydramine, driving performance was poorest, indicating that diphenhydramine had a greater impact on driving than alcohol did. Drowsiness ratings were not a good predictor of impairment, suggesting that drivers cannot use drowsiness to indicate when they should not drive.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10691585/


35 posted on 12/18/2021 8:56:32 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Want to make America great again. Stop talking about government reform. Thanks: precisionshootistst)
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To: BusterDog

Effects of fexofenadine, diphenhydramine, and alcohol on driving performance. A randomized, placebo-controlled trial in the Iowa driving simulator.

Abstract
Background: Sedating antihistamines may impair driving performance as seriously as alcohol.

Objective: To compare the effects of fexofenadine, diphenhydramine, alcohol, and placebo on driving performance.

Design: Randomized, double-blind, double-dummy, four-treatment, four-period crossover trial.

Setting: The Iowa Driving Simulator.

Participants: 40 licensed drivers with seasonal allergic rhinitis who were 25 to 44 years of age.

Intervention: One dose of fexofenadine (60 mg), diphenhydramine (50 mg), alcohol (approximately 0.1% blood alcohol concentration), or placebo, given at weekly intervals before participants drove for 1 hour in the Iowa Driving Simulator.

Measurements: The primary end point was coherence, a continuous measure of participants’ ability to match the varying speed of a vehicle that they were following. Secondary end points were drowsiness and other driving measures, including lane keeping and response to a vehicle that unexpectedly blocked the lane ahead.

Results: Participants had significantly better coherence after taking alcohol or fexofenadine than after taking diphenhydramine. Lane keeping (steering instability and crossing the center line) was impaired after alcohol and diphenhydramine use compared with fexofenadine use. Mean response time to the blocking vehicle was slowest after alcohol use (2.21 seconds) compared with fexofenadine use (1.95 seconds). Self-reported drowsiness did not predict lack of coherence and was weakly associated with minimum following distance, steering instability, and leftlane excursion.

Conclusions: Participants had similar performance when treated with fexofenadine or placebo. After alcohol use, participants performed the primary task well but not the secondary tasks; as a result, overall driving performance was poorer.

After participants took diphenhydramine, driving performance was poorest, indicating that diphenhydramine had a greater impact on driving than alcohol did. Drowsiness ratings were not a good predictor of impairment, suggesting that drivers cannot use drowsiness to indicate when they should not drive.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10691585/


36 posted on 12/18/2021 9:05:44 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Want to make America great again. Stop talking about government reform. Thanks: precisionshootistst)
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To: BusterDog

Can I Get A DUI For Taking Benadryl?

New York law does not make a distinction between legal drugs and illegal drugs in DUI charges. The charge is “driving under the influence.” The legality of what is influencing you does not make a difference.

This is covered under New York Vehicle and Traffic Law § 1192.4:

“No person shall operate a motor vehicle while the person’s ability to operate such a motor vehicle is impaired by the use of a drug.” This means any drug if that drug impairs you in any way.

Nothing stops you from taking your prescriptions, of course. You just have to determine whether they render you capable of getting behind the wheel unimpaired. You should also pay close attention to the way substances interact. While under normal circumstances, you might be able to have one beer with dinner without going over the legal blood alcohol limit, the same drink could become deadly when combined with a vast array of prescription drugs.

Making the determination of risk isn’t easy under these circumstances. Assuming it’s not feasible for you to play it safe and avoid driving at all while on prescription or over-the-counter drugs, you’ll need some reasonable way to determine whether it’s safe to get behind the wheel.

First, you should be especially leery of drugs that can sedate you. Benadryl is, of course, one of these drugs for many people. Many prescription drugs fall into this category as well.

Some stimulants can be equally dangerous.

It’s a good idea to talk to your doctor or pharmacist about your normal habits and your driving to get their opinion on whether there will be unusual interactions between this prescription and alcohol. You should also be clear on the common side effects of any drug you take, including drowsiness.

What if you make a mistake?

If you get pulled over and you believe the officer has done so because he or she has witnessed erratic or impaired behavior, resist the urge to defend yourself. If you say, “I swear I didn’t take anything but a legal prescription,” you won’t be proving your innocence or convincing a cop not to arrest you.

You’ll be strengthening the prosecution’s case instead.

You should also avoid giving the cops permission to search your car. You may think you have “nothing to hide,” but your prescription bottle, or Benadryl in your dashboard, things which look innocuous to you, could again give the prosecutor a lot more evidence to convict you with. If the cops want to search your car, make them get a warrant.

Make the determination of whether you’re going to submit to any testing. You can lose your license for refusing the test, but allowing it to move forward could be even worse. Keep in mind the cops can still get a warrant which orders you to submit to the testing.

Then, understand what happens next isn’t in your hands. The cops will choose to let you go or arrest you. The best thing you can do is to invoke your 5th Amendment rights and ask for an attorney. After that, avoid speaking.

Facing DUI charges? You’ll need help. Contact the Law Offices of Julie Rendelman today.

See also:

Your Rights in New York DUI Cases

Distracted Driving

Different Types of Warrants in New York


37 posted on 12/18/2021 9:07:15 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Want to make America great again. Stop talking about government reform. Thanks: precisionshootistst)
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To: sopo

thanx for posting


38 posted on 12/18/2021 9:55:27 AM PST by thinden
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To: Jane Long; ransomnote; bagster
Check out this beatdown of gas_bag starting at post #22

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39 posted on 12/18/2021 11:40:49 AM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Wonder Warthog; gas_dr
PhD Chemist here. Wife is also. Me, analytical/nuclear, she organischer/organometallic.

Haha. Looks like your cocky, know-it-all ass stepped in it this time, gassie. Like that's never happened before. Ahahahaha.

p.s. I once new a girl who was an organmeister. She was highly trained.


40 posted on 12/18/2021 12:05:17 PM PST by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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