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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
But if he was part of an organized plan to detain the guy, then that may be enough for him to be guilty of conspiracy to detain Arbery unlawfully.

I have seen cases in the news in which judges and lawyers argue for hours in an effort to determine if something is "unlawful" while the cop had to make a decision in a few hundreths of a second.

The law uses something called "the reasonable man" standard. Would a reasonable man chase after someone whom a neighbor alerted them to having bolted from a house which had been burglarized in the past? Would he do so if he was a retired cop?

Would a reasonable man, after having seen the video of this exact same guy going through the house (which had been burglarized) in the middle of the night four times, have reasonable grounds to believe this guy may have committed the previous theft, and may have just committed another one?

Would a reasonable man, knowing that a gun had been stolen recently from them, believe this man might be armed, and therefore necessitating themselves being armed as well?

But without having seen all the evidence and all the jury instructions, I wouldn't have a strong opinion either way.

I have been told by others who claimed to have watched the trial that Arbery's past history of criminal behavior was not admitted as evidence. Presumably this means the videos of his shoplifting and confronting a cop were not shown, nor his record of taking a gun to school and threatening people with it.

Also his brother is a criminal too.

This is a political show trial. The administrators of the state want a conviction so they can appease the mob. I think they've worked to slant as much as they legally can to obtain that result.

141 posted on 11/23/2021 2:37:39 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Okay, I do not believe that they met the standard necessary for a citizen's arrest. I also do not believe it was reasonable for them to get out of their trucks in the first place, but neither of those things are the biggest problem. You left out the most important piece of information.

The defendants saw Arbery running, and saw that he did not have a weapon. The son admitted that he raised his rifle and pointed it at Arbery before Arbery made any threatening move towards him. That, right there, is the unreasonable and illegal - action that triggered the fatal shooting.

Had the son not raised his weapon and pointed it at Arbery first, and only pointed it at Arbery after Arbery made a threatening move towards him, it would be a different case.

The son raised his weapon and pointed it at Arbery not to protect himself, but to prevent Arbery from running away. And that is the point at which the claim of self-defense collapses.

It also is the point at which this case diverges from Rittenhouse shooting the third attacker. The third attacker raising his gun and pointing it at Rittenhouse is what gave Rittenhouse the right to shoot him. Rittenhouse was not required to wait and see if Grosskreutz would actually pull the trigger, just as arbury was not required to wait and see if the weapon pointed at him would be fired before attempting to take it from the defendant.

167 posted on 11/23/2021 4:54:44 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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