[nickcarraway]

That’s all the vaccine mfgr’s ever really promised.

Go back and watch news from earlier in the year - they were definitely saying it would cut down the transmission. They are still essentially saying that by requiring vaccines and saying that the unvaccinated are killing people.

[Paul R.]

I didn't say "the news". I said the vaccine manufacturers. Specifically the results of their testing of large groups. Efficacy was stated in regard to development of severe Covid. Period. Other evidence does show reduction of transmission, for "original" Covid, but, the problem is Delta increased effective R0 more than the shots reduced it. If you double R0 (at least) and then cut it by, oh, say 30% with vaccines, you still increased that factor in the exponent by 1.4. Then factor in the 30+ % of the population with no reduction at all. We are still better off than no reduction of what Covid can do left alone, but, simple minds won't see it. Go have 'em look at Romania to see what fun can really be, maybe.

the unvaccinated are killing people.

Hey, I've been screaming on here for months about the pathetic messaging / education.

It is true the unvaccinated are sometimes chewing up resources needed elsewhere. I ran into that with my Mom (resources unavailable), to her detriment. But, the more obvious point is that the unvaccinated are too often killing themselves. As those actually in the trenches know.