They had no breeding program. The birthrate for Blacks was the same as for Whites in this time period. You were simply wrong. Trying to change the definition of things in order to avoid admitting you were wrong is a standard Leftist tactic.
Yes, you are truthful. I should try it some time.
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On what? That the US Constitution as inherited by Lincoln and the Republicans protected slavery? That the Confederates wrote their Constitution from the ground up to protect slavery? On which of these am I wrong?
The latter. The Confederate Constitutions' main differences with the US Constitution were not over slavery. The differences were more expressly recognizing the rights of states and in limiting the power of the federal government.
Well then you must be impressed with how the Republicans managed to get the country to ratify abolition in only nine years.
As I've said many times, views changed on that subject by late in the war.
Your "would haves" do nothing to prove my statement false, and your reply proves the other states had the time to ratify it, but rejected it instead.
False. They did not reject it. They simply had not passed it yet. In case you haven't noticed, states aren't always in a sprint to ratify constitutional amendments. Sometimes it takes a little time.
Your "would haves" don't prove a thing, because it was never ratified. Most of the Union states wanted nothing to do with it even if it meant secession and a CW, or they would have ratified it when the five states did.
You have no evidence that "most of the union states wanted nothing to do with it....."
They simply hadn't ratified it yet. Not yet ratifying something is not the same as rejecting something. The states that did explicitly reject the Corwin Amendment were the original 7 seceding states.
Of course if the CW hadn't occurred then it would have taken a lot longer to get the votes to repeal slavery with or without the Corbomite Maneuver, because the slave owners weren't going to give up their right to slave labor without a fight anyway.,/p>
Not to mention the fact that the vast majority of Northerners were not abolitionists.
It was passed in Congress two days before he became president. In fact the party of JD was in a rush to ram it through before the Republicans took office. They failed because all but a few states rejected it.
This is patently false. It was introduced in each House of Congress by REPUBLICANS. It is named after Thomas Corwin a REPUBLICAN from Ohio.
So what? They split the nation and started a war for the purpose of preserving slavery, as they said numerous times. No one was obligated to accept them in any leadership capacity.,/P>
This is a lie. They did not leave to preserve slavery. Slavery simply was not threatened in the US. Not only was it not threatened, the first thing Lincoln offered in his first inaugural address was slavery effectively forever by express constitutional amendment. Perhaps you've heard of it. It was called the Corwin Amendment.
Repeat of the same direct quotes I cannot refute snipped.
insert fantasy quotes by me that were never said by either party because, hell I've got nothing and I'm desperate here.
this is the most honest thing you've said in this thread.
Your reply was right out of Clinton's playbook. Of course they didn't go announcing to everyone "We're going to breed black children to be sold as slaves, and we're going to rape black females and sell their children as slaves."
It's like Lewinsky and Clinton's defense that they never conspired to lie to Congress. Of course they didn't meet and say "This is what we're going to do. We're going to lie and commit perjury." But if they coordinated to give false testimony, then that's what they did even if they didn't spell it out.
Likewise, if the slave holders sold their slaves' children to others or used them as slaves, then that's what they were doing whether they announced it as a policy or not.
The latter. The Confederate Constitutions' main differences with the US Constitution were not over slavery. The differences were more expressly recognizing the rights of states and in limiting the power of the federal government.
Recognizing the rights of states to own slaves and limiting the power of the federal government to ban slavery. The Confederate's Constitution came right out and said this.
As I've said many times, views changed on that subject by late in the war.
Right. The states that had outlawed slavery changed their views and opposed slavery instead.
False. They did not reject it. They simply had not passed it yet.
If they didn't ratify it, then they rejected it.
In case you haven't noticed, states aren't always in a sprint to ratify constitutional amendments. Sometimes it takes a little time.
This time was different, in that the country was splitting and about to go to war and there was an urgency among some to prevent it. The Corbomite Maneuver was a desperate attempt to prevent this. If they were on board with this approach, they would have ratified it when the other five states did.
You have no evidence that "most of the union states wanted nothing to do with it....."
Do you mean besides the fact they didn't ratify it?
Not to mention the fact that the vast majority of Northerners were not abolitionists.
1858, 1860, 1864.
This is patently false. It was introduced in each House of Congress by REPUBLICANS. It is named after Thomas Corwin a REPUBLICAN from Ohio.
Yes, but the majority of Republicans voted against it while all but two House Democrats voted for it. Those who supported it understood that it didn't give slavery any protections it didn't already have.
To give credit where due, the two Democrats who voted against it were William Stewart (MD) and Thomas C. Hindman (AK).
This is a lie. They did not leave to preserve slavery. Slavery simply was not threatened in the US.
Speech of Jefferson Davis before the Mississippi Legislature, Nov. 16, 1858
The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States
Constitution of the Confederate States; March 11, 1861
Not only was it not threatened, the first thing Lincoln offered in his first inaugural address was nothing.
insert fantasy quotes by me that were never said by either party because, hell I've got nothing and I'm desperate here.
Wow. There's no getting tricks like this past you.
Of course they didn't actually say this in the conversation, but both sides said it with their actions.
Besides FLT-Bird, did anyone else who read that need me to make that clarification?