Much of what I post comes from the Confederacy itself, so I guess I have to concede that point.
He felt it was not about slavery.
Speech of Jefferson Davis before the Mississippi Legislature, Nov. 16, 1858
That was not a declaration of causes.
Here it is again. The readers can decide for themselves.
The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States
The Union backed their words that it was not about slavery by offering slavery forever by express constitutional amendment. The Union then warned the South that if they attacked, an equal force would be hurled against them destroying them, and that since the Corwin Amendment had been implemented, no attacker has ever survived the attack.
That's as close to reality as your Corwin Amendment. At least the Corbomite Maneuver made money for its writers. The Corwin Amendment did nothing but give you a talking point.
Repeats snipped.
They didn't attain them by force.
Yes they did, through proxies.
The issue wouldn't have disappeared immediately but had the original 7 seceding states been allowed to go their separate way in peace, slavery would have collapsed rather quickly in those states as their slaves poured over the border into the US which was under no obligation to return them. Nobody need to have been killed in a war to force those states back in.
Pointing out what would have happened if doesn't prove anything. As JD and others said, the Confederacy saw having slaves as a right and weren't going to give them up without a fight. Just like the Democrats with their entitlement attitude of today.
Did the US until very late in the war? Try as hard as you might, you cannot lay slavery at the feet of the South alone.
Lies like this are why I call you a liar. I have acknowlwdged several times that some states in the Union still had slaves and everyone in the North wasn't onboard with abolition, and Lincoln had to work with them.
The Confederacy is no more comparable to Nazi Germany than the US of 1860 was comparable to Nazi Germany.
Except the Confederacy was formed to preserve the slave labor they thought they were entitled to. The union had slave states, but their goal as a nation wasn't to preserve slavery, as shown by their refusal to ratify the Corbomite Maneuver even thought it meant secession and war.
This is what shrinks call "projection". You, who argues the Leftist position - PC revisionism...ie the "all about slavery" myth...
All of my sources are from before the PC revisionism you say happened in the 1980s.
accusing a Conservative of being the Leftist. Sure we can all agree that slavery was appalling. We all do in modern times.
Many said so then too, and several nations had already abolished it. In this environment, the Confederacy was formed to preserve it. They said so several times.
That said neither the US in its first 80 years nor the Confederacy were remotely comparable to Nazi Germany.
Do you have to be comparable to Nazi Germany to be wrong?
The former had real elections, a free press, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, trial by jury, no cruel and unusual punishment, no search and seizure without due process etc etc etc.
Unless you were born a slave.
The "Democrats" of the time did no such thing. The country was not split over slavery nor did anybody fight to abolish it on the one hand or preserve it on the other. Both sides said so.
Both sides also said the opposite, so we must base our conclusions on what happened.
JD specifically said secession and the war were not about slavery as did several of the leading politicians and generals and newspapers in the South.
They also said it was.
Speech of Jefferson Davis before the Mississippi Legislature, Nov. 16, 1858
The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States
Only 4 states issued declarations of causes and 3 mentioned things other than the refusal of the Northern states to respect the Fugitive Slave Clause in the US Constitution.
IOW, it was about preserving slavery. Are you serious?
Jefferson Davis never said that.
Speech of Jefferson Davis before the Mississippi Legislature, Nov. 16, 1858
Nah. You post PC Revisionist lies and BS.
blah blah blah the same crap I've posted hundreds of times before
This was 2 years before.
The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States
Umm Virginia's is the secession ordnance and does not list causes. Its obvious you have never read it.
The Union backed their words that it was not about slavery by offering slavery forever by express constitutional amendment. The Union then warned the South that if they attacked, an equal force would be hurled against them destroying them, and that since the Corwin Amendment had been implemented, no attacker has ever survived the attack.
In English please.
That's as close to reality as your Corwin Amendment. At least the Corbomite Maneuver made money for its writers. The Corwin Amendment did nothing but give you a talking point.
The Corwin Amendment demonstrated quite clearly that the North was perfectly happy to protect slavery where it existed - as Lincoln and many other Republicans said they would. It also showed that the original 7 seceding states were not concerned over the protection of slavery - which was not threatened in the US anyway. But you knew that.
Yes they did, through proxies.
THEY didn't. The African slave traders were not their proxies - they were their business partners.
Pointing out what would have happened if doesn't prove anything. As JD and others said, the Confederacy saw having slaves as a right and weren't going to give them up without a fight. Just like the Democrats with their entitlement attitude of today.
They didn't have to give up slavery in the US. Slavery was not threatened in the US. The US Congress pass a resolution saying so. Lincoln said so. They even passed a constitutional amendment which would have expressly protected slavery and which would have been mathematically impossible to overturn without the consent of the states that still allowed slavery.
Lies like this are why I call you a liar. I have acknowlwdged several times that some states in the Union still had slaves and everyone in the North wasn't onboard with abolition, and Lincoln had to work with them.
Every single thing I wrote was 100% truthful.
Except the Confederacy was formed to preserve the slave labor they thought they were entitled to.
Except it wasn't. Slavery's preservation was not threatened in the US. Your lies are why I call you a liar.
The union had slave states, but their goal as a nation wasn't to preserve slavery, as shown by their refusal to ratify the Corbomite Maneuver even thought it meant secession and war.
The North only "refused" to ratify the Corwin Amendment because the original 7 seceding states turned it down.
All of my sources are from before the PC revisionism you say happened in the 1980s.
Is that why you cite a supposed declaration of causes that is in fact just an ordnance which lists no causes? Or perhaps why you list a speech by Davis 2 years before secession even happened?
Many said so then too, and several nations had already abolished it. In this environment, the Confederacy was formed to preserve it. They said so several times.
That is a lie. They did not say that and furthermore slavery was not threatened in the US. If anybody thought it was, the North passed a constitutional amendment that would have expressly protected slavery effectively forever. The original 7 seceding states turned it down. Slavery was obviously not their main concern. While some European countries had gotten rid of slavery by 1860, some still had not. Obviously Brazil and Cuba had not.
Do you have to be comparable to Nazi Germany to be wrong?
You keep trying to make the Hitler/Nazi analogy.
Unless you were born a slave.
Or an an Indian. Neither were considered to be citizens.
Both sides also said the opposite, so we must base our conclusions on what happened.
One side offered explicit protections for slavery effectively forever. The other side turned that offer down.
They also said it was.
Davis said it was not many times. He said it to Southerners. He said it to Northerners. He said it in public and in private. At no point in 1860 or at any time during his presidency did he say secession or the war were about slavery.
IOW, it was about preserving slavery. Are you serious?
Are you capable of grasping even basic facts? It doesn't seem like it. The 4 states that issued declarations of causes pointed out that it was the Northern states which had violated the US Constitution. They wanted out for other reasons (ie to set their own tax/economic policies) and the Northern states by breaking the deal gave them cause to say it was the other side which had acted in bad faith. It wasn't about preserving slavery. There was almost zero support for abolishing slavery.
blah blah blah A speech Davis gave 2 years before secession.
Davis did not say secession in 1860 was about slavery at any time in 1860 or at any time during the war. In fact he said the exact opposite. But you knew that.