The reality is the numerous statements by Davis saying it was not about slavery.
The slave holding states were lying. You can post all of the quotes you like from the Confederacy about what they said it was about, and I'll give the same answer.
They turned down slavery forever by express constitutional amendment....and that was the original 7 seceding states not the Upper South which seceded in response to Lincoln starting a war.
I don't care what they said otherwise, because they had already said it was about slavery numerous times, and they held on to their slaves until being forced to free them.
I don't care what any PC Revisionist says otherwise because the actors at the time on both sides said it was not about slavery and the original 7 seceding states turned down the offer of slavery forever by express constitutional amendment. Both sides kept their slaves until the passage of the 13th amendment.
They were lying.
No they weren't.
Some in Congress offered it. No one supported it, with the exception of five states. The five states had plenty of time to ratify it, which means the rest had plenty of time and opportunity to ratify it if that had been their intention. It wasn't.
Supermajorities in both houses of Congress supported it. Both the outgoing and incoming presidents supported it. More Northern states did not ratify it because the original 7 seceding states turned it down.
How many free states were there in 1861?
Irrelevant.
Now I know you're a leftist plant. Comparing people who chose to come here for better opportunities with those who were sold as slaves is an appalling comparison that only a lefty trying to make the country look bad would post.
Now I know you're an ignoramus. The North was using cheap immigrant labor. Working and living conditions in the early stages of the industrial revolution were squalid, dirty, unsanitary and unsafe. There is a reason all those developments such as tort law, worker's comp, OSHA, Child Labor Laws, etc came about.
He was lying. He made ir clear here that it was about slavery.
Nope. He was telling the truth. There is no reason to think the political leaders at the time on both sides were not saying what they meant.
That's what I would expect a lefty posing as a Conservative to say.
Being sympathetic to a tyrant who starts a war and tramples on the constitution is just what I would expect from a Lefty.
Would you have approved of assassinating JD and other Confederate leaders for their roles in preserving slavery?
They had no role in preserving slavery. Slavery was not threatened in the US.
We also have numerous statements from him saying it was about slavery such as Speech of Jefferson Davis before the Mississippi Legislature, Nov. 16, 1858.
Either he was lying when he said it was about slavery, or he was lying when he said it wasn't. Since the slave holding states held on to their slaves until forced to free them, we can conclude he was telling the truth when he said it was about slavery.
They turned down slavery forever by express constitutional amendment....
Which could have been repealed by amendment, just as slavery itself was abolished, as territories became free states. The slave holding states knew this and didn't trust the North.
and that was the original 7 seceding states not the Upper South which seceded in response to Lincoln starting a war.
The act of war was committed by the slave holders against the humans they enslaved, I don't care how many crooks helped them.
I don't care what any PC Revisionist says otherwise because the actors at the time on both sides said it was not about slavery and the original 7 seceding states turned down the offer of slavery forever by express constitutional amendment. Both sides kept their slaves until the passage of the 13th amendment.
No revision is needed. The Confederacy had slaves, and their comments saying secession was over slavery were consistant with this. Anything else they said was poor PR.
Irrelevant.
The question of how many free states there were in 1861 is totally relevant to the question of whether abolition was popular.
Now I know you're an ignoramus. The North was using cheap immigrant labor. Working and living conditions in the early stages of the industrial revolution were squalid, dirty, unsanitary and unsafe.
That was a cheap trick. You snipped and completely ignored my follow up statement, which was "I know it was hard for the people who came over here by today's standards, but they saw it as a great opportunity worth risking their lives for."
There is a reason all those developments such as tort law, worker's comp, OSHA, Child Labor Laws, etc came about.
And rightfully so, but that doesn't change the fact that the Europeans came over here by choice, unlike the slaves that ended up in the slave holding states plantation.
Nope. He was telling the truth. There is no reason to think the political leaders at the time on both sides were not saying what they meant.
Speech of Jefferson Davis before the Mississippi Legislature, Nov. 16, 1858
Being sympathetic to a tyrant who starts a war and tramples on the constitution is just what I would expect from a Lefty.
You're right. That proves you are a lefty for being sympathetic to JD.
They had no role in preserving slavery. Slavery was not threatened in the US.
Speech of Jefferson Davis before the Mississippi Legislature, Nov. 16, 1858
As you said, there is no reason to think he wasn't saying what he meant.