Oh but I have. The North offered it. The original 7 seceding states rejected it. At that point, there was no need to continue. What the North wanted was their cash cow to stay in and keep paying. They were perfectly happy to keep slaves in chains forever to get that. But the Southern states wanted out so they could stop having the North suck their wallets dry. The issue of slavery was a bargaining chip - not the main interest of either side.
You don't need to answer this again, because I've done it for you.
I've answered yet again for you because you obviously failed to grasp the answer given to you.
1858, 1860, 1864.
Abolitionists did not win any elections in 1858 or 1860.
The war didn't start until after the slave holding states had seceded, and it was the Confederacy who fired the first shots regardless of what their justification was.
Lincoln started the war by invading South Carolina's sovereign territory with a heavily armed fleet.
McPherson "admitted"? Here's an interview with him, where he is clearly trying to tie those who opposed abolition with "the right wing in American politics", his words. This interview is from the World Socialist Web Site, so the readers can draw their own conclusions from that.
He's doing exactly what you're doing, which is tying slavery to the modern right.
He openly said it was because of the EP in the quote I cited above. As I've told you McPherson is a PC Revisionist. pssssst.......these guys are all Leftists. Those who parrot their BS are either Leftists themselves or are dupes.
How many times do I have to answer this? He made those comments to audiences that wanted to hear what he was saying. The 4th debate with Douglas in 1858 was a prime example, where he made appalling comments to cheering crowds. If you read how the audience responded, you see what he was working with.
How many times do I have to respond that he said such things in public and in private. He said them consistently. He never said anything to the contrary. There is no reason to think he did not mean them.
That didn't stop those sympathetic to slavery from accusing him of being an abolitionist, because they saw through this. JD said so in 1858 without giving any other reason for secession. Some of the declarations of secession said so. You want to believe Lincoln when he said this even though he pushed to get abolition done, but you don't what to take the Confederacy's word when they accused him of being an abolitionist.
He pushed for slavery forever by express constitutional amendment. Lincoln did not "push to get abolition done". The most he did was the EP and that was a war measure. He openly said it was a war measure and he went to great pains to make sure it did not free any slaves where the Union Army was in control.
I stopped there, because the North offered nothing. It was a last ditch effort to prevent secession and the CW that was never ratified by the states, and many of those who voted for it were out of work the following year. The president who signed it was a Democrat who is considered one of the biggest failures in history, and he lost his job in 1861 as well. It was never ratified, and ever would be, which the Confederacy knew.
Even if it had passed, it wouldn't have given slavery any protections that weren't already in place at that time.
Repeat snipped.
Abolitionists did not win any elections in 1858
or 1860.
According to JD and the declarations of secession, they did.
Lincoln started the war by invading South Carolina's sovereign territory with a heavily armed fleet.
So you want to start that agin? OK.
The oceans and Fort Sumter were under Federal control. SC seceded, but they couldn't take Federal property or the oceans with them.
Furthermore, enslaving millions of people IS an act of war against the people you're enslaving, and I don't care who helped. You can post all of the "tribal kings", "slave traders", and "other nations bought more slaves" nonsense you want, because the slave holding states were the driver behind enslaving those people
BroJoeK, check out the following. You can see my previous post here for context.
He openly said it was because of the EP in the quote I cited above. As I've told you McPherson is a PC Revisionist. pssssst.......these guys are all Leftists.
Then we can all agree he is wrong.
Good, because he did exactly what you're doing, which is tying slavery to the right. He came out and said that in the interview I posted to you in my previous post here. The only difference is that in your case, it's the Confederacy you're tying to the right, but it's the same effect because the Confederacy and slavery are effectively synonymous.
If he's a PC Revisionist, then so are you.
Those who parrot their BS are either Leftists themselves or are dupes.
And which are you? It's clear by now that you and he have the same goals, which is to tie slavery to the modern right.
How many times do I have to respond that he said such things in public and in private. He said them consistently.
You don't. We all know what he said, and why.
He never said anything to the contrary. There is no reason to think he did not mean them.
Not true. He often spoke out against slavery, but granted it couldn't be abolished within the framework in place at the time. In 1865, when they finally had the power the GOP passed abolition, and the states followed suit in ratifying it.
Lincoln did not "push to get abolition done". The most he did was the EP and that was a war measure. He openly said it was a war measure and he went to great pains to make sure it did not free any slaves where the Union Army was in control.