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I was replying to the comments made by Jefferson Davis about his concern for blacks in the South in 1865 when defeat was certain, and compared them to Hitler's claim in 1945 that he didn't want war in 1939. In both cases they were on the brink of total defeat, and were clearly trying to distance themselves from the consequences of their actions.

Do you have a direct answer for that, or are you going to continue to flood FR with text from book after book?

I would first note that you failed to provide a source, a date, or identify who said it.

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Notice I didn't enter his name, only part of the quote.

Now let's look at the snippets you posted from the Lincoln Douglas debates.

CW 3:14-15: First Lincoln-Douglas Debate

I don't see where you're going with that. Lincoln acknowledged that if "we" (the North) had slaves we might want to defend it, and if the South didn't have slavery than they would oppose it. It was a fair appraisal, and one that should make us all think about if we would have been any better.

CW 3:145-46; Fourth Lincoln-Douglas Debate.

CW 3:179; Fourth Lincoln-Douglas Debate

The 4th debate was held in Illinois, which was a Northern state that outlawed slavery in name only. It was one of the worst offenders when it came to "black codes". He was talking out of both sides of his mouth. If you read how the audience responded you can see why.

As it turned out, the South didn't buy it. For example, from the Georgia declaration of secession, "They entered the Presidential contest again in 1860 and succeeded. The prohibition of slavery in the Territories, hostility to it everywhere, the equality of the black and white races". It was one of the dynamics he and abolitionists had to deal with. Frederick Douglas later acknowledged this, so I'll post his quote again.

"Viewed from the genuine abolition ground, Mr. Lincoln seemed tardy, cold, dull, and indifferent; but measuring him by the sentiment of his country, a sentiment he was bound as a statesman to consult, he was swift, zealous, radical, and determined."

When he and the Republicans got the power they needed to abolish slavery in 1865, they did it.

Various quotes from the 1850's.

See my reply above. I don't deny he said some repulsive things, but he had to deal with people that held those views to get things done.

I was replying to the comments made by Jefferson Davis about his concern for blacks in the South in 1865 when defeat was certain, and compared them to Hitler's claim in 1945 that he didn't want war in 1939. In both cases they were on the brink of total defeat, and were clearly trying to distance themselves from the consequences of their actions.
Do you have a direct answer for that, or are you going to continue to flood FR with text from book after book?
[woodpusher] I would first note that you failed to provide a source, a date, or identify who said it.
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Notice I didn't enter his name, only part of the quote.

Your incompetent self still did not give a date for your quote. I first notice that you were too incompetent to read the quote you searched for and verify when it was made.

Below is your search term.

My own convictions as to negro slavery are strong. It has its evils and abuses...We recognize the negro as God and God's Book and God's Laws

You claim a quote from 1865 at a time when "defeat was certain, and compared Hitler's claim in 1945."

This quote that you searched on is from before the civil war.

Try again.