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To: TwelveOfTwenty
If the Northern states had intended to ratify it, they would have. They didn't even though it meant secession and war.,/p>

It didn't go to the Northern states until shortly before Lincoln offered it in his inaugural address. The original 7 seceding states then turned it down. After they did so, efforts to pass it in the Northern states dropped off considerably - it was by then a dead letter. It was still passed by a few Northern states. Had the original 7 agreed, Republican pressure on the Northern states to pass it would have been enormous.

Many of those who passed it were out of work in 1861, more in 1865. The president who signed it is widely considered one of the biggest failures in US history.

Had Buchanan not signed it, Lincoln would have. The vast majority of Republicans supported it. The guy who wrote it was a Republican.

I see where you're coming from now, but I was referring to the link and getting it passed in Congress, which didn't happen until the Republicans got enough votes to pass it in 1865. Of course the states had to ratify it and they did, but it had to pass Congress first, and in 1864 it was the democrats, the party of Jefferson Davis, who blocked it. And note the states ratified abolition but didn't come close to ratifying the Corwin Amendment, even though they could have.

As already discussed, the Corwin Amendment became a moot point when the original 7 seceding states did not agree to it. As it is a few Northern states still passed it. Those states' congressional delegations certainly supported it. There's no reason to believe that with the full backing of the Republicans - which it had - it would not have been ratified in enough Northern states to be ratified to the constitution had the original 7 seceding states agreed to it - but they refused.

I'll refer you to my links on Kansas below.

I'll refer you to the fact that abolitionists simply could not win elections. I've already posted the editorial opinions from several major newspapers (including the NYT ha ha!).

Oregon's was written in 1857, and was never enforced although that doesn't make it right. This was around the time the abolitionists were expressing their frustration about how slowly abolition was moving. Black Exclusion Laws in Oregon "The 1859 Kansas Constitution opened the state to all settlers regardless of their ethnic or racial background." "A few stubborn proponents of the Topeka Constitution refused to abandon their document, but overall the abolitionists were eager to start over and make the most of their opportunity."

Unfortunately the history of this is pretty widespread in the Northern states. Illinois required Blacks to post a very large bond in order to move into the state and laws on the books made it impossible for them to serve on juries, vote or even sign contracts. White laborers would frequently refuse to work alongside Blacks. The combined effect of the public and private discrimination was to make it nearly impossible for Blacks to earn a living....thus to drive them out.

NY had similar laws. Ohio had a notorious Pogrom in Cincinnati. Wisconsin, Iowa, Pennsylvania, the list goes on and on. The Slavenorth website does a good job of documenting the Black Codes and efforts to exclude and to ethnically cleanse Blacks from the Northern states and Western territories.

The North didn't open up recruitment to blacks until 1863.

As the numerous sources I cited attest, the Confederate Army enlisted Blacks from early on.

587 posted on 11/03/2021 11:23:16 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: FLT-bird
It didn't go to the Northern states until shortly before Lincoln offered it in his inaugural address. The original 7 seceding states then turned it down. After they did so, efforts to pass it in the Northern states dropped off considerably - it was by then a dead letter. It was still passed by a few Northern states. Had the original 7 agreed, Republican pressure on the Northern states to pass it would have been enormous.

What you think would have happened "if" doesn't prove anything. The Congress that passed it was largely replaced afterwards, and the states sure weren't impressed.

Had Buchanan not signed it, Lincoln would have.

Once again, what you think would have happened proves nothing. What didn't happen proves everything.

The vast majority of Republicans supported it.

Then it must have been ratified and made law.

The guy who wrote it was a Republican.

So was David Duke. The Republicans aren't defined by everyone who chooses to associate with them. When Americans wanted abolition passed, they voted Republican in 1864.

In reply to "I see where you're coming from now, but I was referring to the link and getting it passed in Congress, which didn't happen until the Republicans got enough votes to pass it in 1865. Of course the states had to ratify it and they did, but it had to pass Congress first, and in 1864 it was the democrats, the party of Jefferson Davis, who blocked it. And note the states ratified abolition but didn't come close to ratifying the Corwin Amendment, even though they could have.", you commented on the Corwin Amemndment but not on the bold. I posted it again so you could comment on it.

I'll refer you to the fact that abolitionists simply could not win elections. I've already posted the editorial opinions from several major newspapers

I'll choose the results of the 1858, 1860, and 1864 elections over op-eds.

(including the NYT ha ha!).

If you're depending on the NYT to prove your case, you should quit now. I meant that as a dig at their credibility, not at you.

Unfortunately the history of this is pretty widespread in the Northern states...thus to drive them out.

You state the obvious. Of course there was racism in the North regardless of the verasity of each of the examples listed, but your two examples of Kansas and Oregon did more to refute your point then prove it.

As the numerous sources I cited attest, the Confederate Army enlisted Blacks from early on.

Enlisted as in recruited, or enlisted as in forced by their masters? Most were of the latter, and many of them escaped to the North when they got the chance.

Black Confederates: Truth and Legend

591 posted on 11/05/2021 4:04:55 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Will whoever keeps asking if this country can get any more insane please stop?)
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