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To: woodpusher; broJoe
Of course, anyone who admires Forrest hates Jews because... reasons.

Not everyone, but it's not likely that was his own experience. If he got insulting responses, why shouldn't he mention that?

Grant had Jewish friends and business partners and wanted to appoint his friend Joseph Seligman Secretary of the Treasury. Those who want to argue that the Confederacy wasn't all about slavery might reflect that Grant wasn't all about anti-Semitism.

Grant died on Thursday, July 23, 1885. The following day, the Philadelphia Jewish Record declared in its Friday edition, "None will mourn his loss more sincerely than the Hebrew…and tomorrow in every Jewish synagogue and temple in the land the sad event will be solemnly commemorated with fitting eulogy and prayer."

But why are you posting to me when I haven't been active on this thread and have already told you not to post to me?

536 posted on 10/27/2021 8:51:46 AM PDT by x
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To: x

I should have said, “but it’s likely.”


540 posted on 10/27/2021 8:58:35 AM PDT by x
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To: x

You need the exercise...bro and his mini me and this newbie retread need your subtle deft

I’m only half joking

Are you a professor too?


545 posted on 10/27/2021 12:46:46 PM PDT by wardaddy (Too many uninformed ..and scolds here )
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To: x; BroJoeK
Of course, anyone who admires Forrest hates Jews because... reasons.

Of course, you have taken that out of context. Let me help.

Kevin M. Levin tweet

I must have blocked close to 300 people over the weekend. It turns out that people who admire Nathan Bedford Forrest don't like Jews. Who would have thought?
7:45 AM · Sep 19, 2021·Twitter Web App

Of course, anyone who admires Forrest hates Jews because... reasons.

Of course, anyone who admires U.S. Grant must really, really hate Jews. Because, Grant is the General who ordered all Jews expelled from his military district.

Had such progressive garbage not been served up as an appeal to authority, it would not have needed a cleanup.

That is palpably dripping enough sarcasm you cannot seriously make believe otherwise. It is very obviously pointing out the rampant stupidity of the remark by Kevin Levin. Perhaps you could point out the rational basis for Levin concluding that if one admires Nathan Bedford Forrest, it means a dislike of Jews.

Attempting to take your straightman act about Grant having Jewish friends seriously, in the old days white people had colored friends.

Grant not only had Jewish friends, he had black slaves, and during the war, his wife would come to visit accompanied by one of her slaves.

But, it must be admitted he did not act friendly like to Jews in his military district, although it is not apparent anti-semism was the cause.

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O.R. 17, p.330

LA GRANGE, TENN., November 9, 1862.

Major-General HURLBUT, Jackson, Tenn.:

Refuse all permits to come south of Jackson for the present. The Israelites especially should be kept out.

What troops have you now, exclusive of Stevenson's brigade?

U. S. GRANT,
Major-General.

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O.R. 17, p. 337

LA GRANGE, November 10, 1862.
General WEBSTER, Jackson, Tenn.:

Give orders to all the conductors on the road that no Jews are to be permitted to travel on the railroad southward from any point. They may go north and be encouraged in it; but they are such an intolerable nuisance that the department must be purged of them.

U. S. GRANT,
Major-General.

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O.R. 17, p 424

GENERAL ORDERS,
HDQRS. 13TH A. C., DEPT. OF THE TENN.,

Numbers 11.
Holly Springs, December 17, 1862.

The Jews, as a class violating every regulation of trade established by the Treasury Department and also department orders, are hereby expelled from the department within twenty-four hours from the receipt of this order.

Post commanders will see that all of this class of people be furnished passes and required to leave, and any one returning after such notification will be arrested and held in confinement until an opportunity occurs of sending them out as prisoners, unless furnished with permit from headquarters.

No passes will be given these people to visit headquarters for the purpose of making personal application for trade permits.

By order of Major General U. S. Grant:

JNO. A. RAWLINS,
Assistant Adjutant-General.

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O.R. 17, p. 421-2

HDQRS. THIRTEENTH A. C., DEPT. OF THE TENN.,
Oxford, Miss., December 17, 1862.

Honorable C. P. WOLCOTT,
Assistant Secretary of War, Washington, D. C.:

I have long since believed that in spite of all the vigilance that can be infused into post commanders, the spice regulations of the Treasury Department have been violated, and that mostly by Jews and other unprincipled traders. So well satisfied have I been of this that I instructed the commanding officer at Columbus to refuse all permits to Jews to come South, and I have frequently had them expelled from the department, but they come in with their carpet-sacks in spite of all that can be done to prevent it. The Jews seem to be a privileged class that can travel everywhere. They will land any wood-yard on the river and make their way through the country. If not permitted to buy cotton themselves they will act as agents for some one else, who will be at military post with a Treasury permit to to receive cotton and pay for it in Treasury notes which the Jew will buy up at an agreed rate, paying gold.

There is but one way that I know that I know of to reach this case; that is, for Government to buy all the cotton at a fixed rate and sent it to Cairo, Saint Louis, or some other point to be sold. Then all traders (they are a curse to the army) might be expelled.

U. S. GRANT,
Major-General.

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O.R. 17, p 424

GENERAL ORDERS,
HDQRS. 13TH A. C., DEPT. OF THE TENN.,

Numbers 11.
Holly Springs, December 17, 1862.

The Jews, as a class violating every regulation of trade established by the Treasury Department and also department orders, are hereby expelled from the department within twenty-four hours from the receipt of this order.

Post commanders will see that all of this class of people be furnished passes and required to leave, and any one returning after such notification will be arrested and held in confinement until an opportunity occurs of sending them out as prisoners, unless furnished with permit from headquarters.

No passes will be given these people to visit headquarters for the purpose of making personal application for trade permits.

By order of Major General U. S. Grant:

JNO. A. RAWLINS,
Assistant Adjutant-General.

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O.R. 26, p. 9

Washington,
January 21, 1863.

Major-General GRANT,
Memphis:

GENERAL: The President has directed that so much of Arkansas as you may desire to control be temporarily attached to your department. This will give you control of both banks of the river. *

In your operations down the Mississippi you must not rely too confidently upon any direct co-operation of General Banks and the lower flotilla, as it is possible that they may not be able to pass or reduce Port Hudson. They, however, will do everything in their power to form a junction with you at Vicksburg. If they should not be able to effect this, they will at least occupy a portion of the enemy's forces and prevent them from re-enforcing Vicksburg. I hope, however, that they will do still better and be able to join you.

It may be proper to give you some explanation of the revocation of your order expelling all Jews from your department. The President has no objection to your expelling traitors and Jew peddlers, which, I suppose, was the object of your order; but, as it in terms proscribed an entire religious class, some of whom are fighting in our ranks, the President deemed it necessary to revoke it.

Very respectfully, your obedient servant,
H. W. HALLECK,
General-in-Chief.

* See telegram from Halleck to Grant, same date, quoted in Grant to Gorman, January 22, Part III, p. 5.

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Of course, Grant was infuriated at the carrying on of the cotton trade across military lines, authorized by the Treasury Department and President Abraham Lincoln. Grant was incensed at this maner of feeding the army of the rather destitute Cnfederate government.

O.R. Series I, vol 46, Part 2, Page 445

CITY POINT, VA., February 7, 1865-10 a.m.

Honorable E. M. STANTON,

Secretary of War:

A. M. Laws is here with a steamer partially loaded with sugar and coffee, and a permit from the Treasury Department to go through into Virginia and North Carolina, and to bring out 10,000 bales of cotton. I have positively refused to adopt this mode of feeding the Southern army unless it is the direct order of the President. It is a humiliating fact that speculators have represented the location of cotton at different points in the South, and obtained permits to bring it out, covering more than the entire amount of the staple in all the cotton-growing States. I take this to be so from statements contained in a letter recently received from General Canby. It is for our interest now to stop all supplies going into the South between Charleston and the James River. Cotton only comes out on private accounts, except in payment for absolute necessities for the support of the war.

U. S. GRANT,

Lieutenant-General.

CW 8:221

Cotton Permit for Mrs. R. I. Ward [1]

Executive Mansion January 18 1865.

An authorized agent of the Treasury Department having with the approval of the Secretary of the Treasury, contracted for the cotton above mentioned and the party having agreed to sell and deliver the same to such agent.

It is ordered, that the cotton moving in compliance with and for fulfilment of said contract, and being transported to said agent, or under his direction, shall be free from seizure or detention by any officer of the Government, and commanders of military departments, districts posts and detachments naval stations, gunboats flotillas and fleets, will observe this order and give the said Mrs. R. I. Ward her agents and transports, free and unmolested passage, for the purpose of getting the said cotton, or any part thereof through the lines other than blockaded lines, and safe conduct within our lines while the same is moving in strict compliance with the regulations of the Secretary of the Treasury and for fulfilment of said contract with the agent of the Government.

ABRAHAM LINCOLN

In this one, the cotton permit was for 1,000 bales. Eventually, the Union government was trading meat for cotton.

But why are you posting to me when I haven't been active on this thread and have already told you not to post to me?

I am unaware that you have posted any such thing to me. I do not recall that you have posted anything to me.

Your handle came to be included in the addressee line as I was responding to #497 by BroJoeK, and BroJoeK put you there:

To: woodpusher; wardaddy; TwelveOfTwenty; x; jmacusa; rockrr; DiogenesLamp

BroJoeK was responding to FLT-bird #492 with an addressee line of:

To: woodpusher

You may ask BroJoeK why he put you in one of his neighborhood addressee lines. I replied to BroJoeK with the address line he created.

I have only had one poster request me to not post to him, but under a different handle.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3818237/posts?page=253#253

To: woodpusher

Please take me off any of these posts.

253 posted on 3/9/2020, 6:58:35 PM by Vermont Lt

If you have made any post to me, please identify it.

546 posted on 10/27/2021 9:48:11 PM PDT by woodpusher
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