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To: jmacusa; Pelham; woodpusher

Varina Davis was to say the least outspoken as hell....a fembot in her era

Pot calling kettle black about strident personality in my opinion tween those two

She married 17 years older Davis for the financial security her daddy being broke and her not having other prospects and her used to being rich

She did however have SIX KIDS with him...can’t have hated him too much.

Davis however she was to her credit did her duty when called upon her whole life

People today have no concept of duty

Nobody could have administered a Richmond victory except in a quick victory of “ok you can leave but let’s have understandings” compromise

A war of attrition despite Lees luck and skill was sure defeat given your arms and manpower superiority in the long run something Grant understood well and took advantage of

It was as you are prone to say ad nauseum here....a Lost Cause ...baring extraordinary luck..from jump street


484 posted on 10/24/2021 11:46:17 PM PDT by wardaddy (Too many uninformed ..and scolds here )
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To: wardaddy

Lee got his ass kicked at Gettysburg. When are you Rebs going to ever give it up?.

The Confederacy got it’s ass kicked. Arms and numbers don’t mean a thing without brains behind them. The Union Army outfought the Confederacy.

The South went to war with no chance of winning.

It went to war without a navy. Stupid move because the first thing the North did was blockade Southern ports.

The Confederates won some battles but lost the war.

But not before they managed to get 600,000 Americans killed.


486 posted on 10/25/2021 12:18:34 AM PDT by jmacusa (America.Founded by geniuses. Now governed by idiots. )
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To: wardaddy
Davis as a politician had his limitations. Nobody will argue otherwise. Still, he was a principled and honest man. He was extremely loyal to those who were loyal to him. He was also an inherently decent Christian man who took a very enlightened view toward Blacks whom he treated with respect. He was well regarded by most Blacks in return.

"I hope the negroes' fidelity will be duly rewarded and regret that we are not in a position to aid and protect them. There is, I observe, a controversy which I regret as to allowing negroes to testify in court. From brother Joe [Joseph Davis], many years ago, I derived the opinion that they should be made competent witnesses, the jury judging of their credibility. (Jefferson Davis: Private Letters 1823-1889, selected and edited by Hudson Strode, New York: De Capo Press, 1995, reprint, p. 188)

During a trip through the western part of the Confederacy, Davis got off his train at Griswoldville, Georgia, in order to meet with a group of slaves who had gathered in the hope of seeing him. These men worked at a local pistol factory and had come to the train station because they wanted to meet Davis. Informed of the gathering, Davis got off the train and circulated among the group, shaking each hand and speaking to each man individually (Cooper, Jefferson Davis, American, p. 494). When Davis returned to Richmond, Virginia, after the war, he was not only cheered by whites but also by blacks. One observer noted that Davis was "greatly touched" by the sympathy shown to him by the blacks in the crowd. In fact, some blacks climbed up on his carriage, shook and kissed his hand, and called out "God bless Mars Davis" (Allen, Jefferson Davis: Unconquerable Heart, pp. 486-487). His funeral train was greeted by crowds of mourners both White and Black on its 1200 mile journey from New Orleans to Richmond.

494 posted on 10/25/2021 8:36:01 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: wardaddy
Seven kids huh? Well ol’ Varnia was a prodigious gal to be sure. Seven Little Davis's. You weren't one of them were you?
508 posted on 10/25/2021 11:15:23 AM PDT by jmacusa (America.Founded by geniuses. Now governed by idiots. )
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