Nobody said they believed having slaves was wrong.
The only proof I need is that the North abolished slavery, and the slave holding states held on to their slaves until the North freed them.
The only proof YOU need.....that slavery was abolished AFTER the war. An open minded person looking at the causes of secession and the war however would notice that the North offered slavery forever by express constitutional amendment and the original 7 seceding states turned that offer down.
It was never ratified or even came close, and "the president" who signed it was James Buchannan, not Lincoln, for the purpose of preventing secession.
It was never ratified because the original 7 seceding states turned it down. It doesn't matter that Buchannan signed it. If he had not, Lincoln would have signed it. He orchestrated it after all. "for the purpose of preventing secession". So what? They were fully prepared to support slavery effectively forever. These people were not interested in banning slavery.
No, they just did it, but they didn't mean to. It just accidentally happened.
They did it AFTER the fact when trying to put a fig leaf on the blood and carnage they caused by starting a war of aggression for money and empire.
Yet somehow the abolitionists managed to see through their times and see slavery was wrong. Let's see if you get around to praising them for it.
Great for them being ahead of their time. They were very few in number. Hey, great for those who believed in equality for women too. Great for those who believed in equality for people of all ethnic groups. They too were tiny in number at that time.
I guess not.
You guessed correctly then.
How democratic were they to the slaves who escaped, never mind the ones who didn't?
As democratic as they were at the time of the War of Independence from the British Empire and the ratification of the Constitution.
Ignoring the fact that they were on federal property the whole time...
Ignoring the fact that the federals were squatting on property that belonged to the sovereign state of South Carolina.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
BTW, it wasn't just Yankees.
The slave trade industry was overwhelmingly located in the North. Overwhelmingly. In fact, New England/NY was the hub of the slave trade for the entire western hemisphere in the late 18th and 19th centuries. Take a good look and see where the seed capital for the Ivy League and many large corporations that exist even today came from.
I'm sure the 100,000 plus escaped slaves who served in the Union had their opinions of the confederacy and abolition, too.
As did the tens of thousands of Blacks who served in the Confederate Army.
He said a lot worse than that. When I want to read about ghosts scaring cranky old millionaires into repenting, I'll go to Dickens. When I was to learn about slavery, I'll go to the people who lived through it.
Post what he said that you find so objectionable.
And you're trying to defend the South? Seriously? If you acknowledge that the South saw nothing wrong with slavery, then why is it so hard to accept that they seceded and faught to preserve it?
The only proof YOU need.....that slavery was abolished AFTER the war.
After the slave holding states seceded, there was no way the North could have abolished slavery short of winning the CW.
An open minded person looking at the causes of secession and the war however would notice that the North offered slavery forever by express constitutional amendment and the original 7 seceding states turned that offer down.
And they never ratified it, and President Buchanan signed it in a meaningless gesture.
It was never ratified because the original 7 seceding states turned it down. It doesn't matter that Buchannan signed it. If he had not, Lincoln would have signed it. He orchestrated it after all. "for the purpose of preventing secession". So what? They were fully prepared to support slavery effectively forever. These people were not interested in banning slavery.
You can go reaching for all of the alternate realities you can find. We don't know the would haves or could haves. What we do know is it was never ratified, and the North abolished slavery when they had the opportunity to do so.
They did it AFTER the fact when trying to put a fig leaf on the blood and carnage they caused by starting a war of aggression for money and empire.
We've been over this. They couldn't legally have abolished it after the slave holding states seceded, and they couldn't have banned it even before then. Once they got the opportunity, they did it.
As democratic as they were at the time of the War of Independence from the British Empire and the ratification of the Constitution.
IOW, when it came to the slaves, they weren't.
Ignoring the fact that the federals were squatting on property that belonged to the sovereign state of South Carolina.
Unless the owners of that land seceded along with the slave holding states, no.
The slave trade industry was overwhelmingly located in the North. Overwhelmingly. In fact, New England/NY was the hub of the slave trade for the entire western hemisphere in the late 18th and 19th centuries. Take a good look and see where the seed capital for the Ivy League and many large corporations that exist even today came from.
Yes, but it was abolished in the Northeast long before the CW. It continued illegally and under the table until 1858 and that was for shipment to the slave holding states.
And I won't take back what I said about the free traitors getting us addicted to cheap Chinese slave labor, so we're not innocent now.
As did the tens of thousands of Blacks who served in the Confederate Army.
Here's something on that.
Black Confederates: Truth and Legend
Pointing that out did nothing to help your case, whatever that still is.
Post what he said that you find so objectionable.
Not necessary, as anyone who is interested can find it for themselves.
His support for the South was from his opinion that the North wouldn't abolish slavery. He was wrong.