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To: FLT-bird
It was only politically possible for there to be a government order after political opposition ceased.

Political opposition never ceased, it just grew weaker than political support. In the case of both Cuba and Brazil slavery was ended over the opposition of the slave owners themselves.

Which begs the question. Having fought a bloody rebellion to gain their independence, how long would it have been before it would have been politically possible to end slavery in the Confederacy? It would have happened sooner or later, later rather than sooner. And would it have even been possible under the Confederate constitution?

700,000 compared to how many before?

Hard to say. Total number of slaves in Brazil over it's history was something like 10 million, but what max number at any one time is something I can't answer. Still 700,000 is still a considerable number. And evidence that your claim that slavery was on it's last leg is patently false.

Which would have been worth nothing the second they crossed that 1500 mile border they could not possibly secure.

Slaves running off to the north before the rebellion might have been a nagging problem but certainly didn't cause a dent in the several million slaves held at the outbreak of the rebellion. I don't see how an independent Confederacy would have changed that. Slaves still would have had to make it through hundreds of miles of the Confederacy where any black person walking around would have been challenged. Other than maybe requiring a little tightening of existing laws or a little extra surveillance it wouldn't have been a problem.

They had a total White population of maybe a couple million if that. Mid 19th century technology was nothing like modern technology.

They managed to keep millions of slaves in their place before the rebellion, unless they suddenly became incompetent boobs I don't see how they wouldn't be able to do that after independence.

Look how much trouble the US has securing its much shorter border with Mexico...

Hispanics in the U.S enjoy constitutional rights with makes it hard to stop a person on sight and demand proof of legal status. Blacks, free and slave, had no rights in the Confederacy so stopping and apprehending would not have been much of a problem for a Confederate police.

414 posted on 10/14/2021 3:03:26 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
Political opposition never ceased, it just grew weaker than political support. In the case of both Cuba and Brazil slavery was ended over the opposition of the slave owners themselves. Which begs the question. Having fought a bloody rebellion to gain their independence, how long would it have been before it would have been politically possible to end slavery in the Confederacy? It would have happened sooner or later, later rather than sooner. And would it have even been possible under the Confederate constitution?

Yes political opposition was overcome because it had grown much weaker....because slavery effectively collapsed. Given that everywhere in the western world including Brazil, including Cuba including even Russia had ended slavery by the 1880s, there is no reason to believe it would have gone on longer in the Southern states. As we've discussed before, states that did not allow slavery were perfectly free to join the CSA. Therefore states in the CSA that wanted to ban slavery could have obviously done so as well....and spare me the BS about a right of transit = slavery. It does not and you've tried spewing that BS multiple times already.

Hard to say. Total number of slaves in Brazil over it's history was something like 10 million, but what max number at any one time is something I can't answer. Still 700,000 is still a considerable number. And evidence that your claim that slavery was on it's last leg is patently false.

Intellectually dishonest as usual. 700,000 is a tiny number given the massive slave population of Brazil - further evidence that slavery was rapidly dying out - which made political opposition to its ending very weak indeed.

Slaves running off to the north before the rebellion might have been a nagging problem but certainly didn't cause a dent in the several million slaves held at the outbreak of the rebellion. I don't see how an independent Confederacy would have changed that. Slaves still would have had to make it through hundreds of miles of the Confederacy where any black person walking around would have been challenged. Other than maybe requiring a little tightening of existing laws or a little extra surveillance it wouldn't have been a problem.

There was a Fugitive Slave Clause in the US Constitution. Slaves who ran off could be and often were recaptured. That would not have been the case if that were an international frontier. Oh, and there was no rebellion. I've already outlined how small the White population of those 7 states actually was. Florida didn't even have a border with the US then so that whittles it down to 6 states. They simply did not have the manpower or resources to effectively police that much border. Lincoln himself pointed it out and nobody could refute it.

They managed to keep millions of slaves in their place before the rebellion, unless they suddenly became incompetent boobs I don't see how they wouldn't be able to do that after independence.

Fugitive Slave Clause......no Fugitive Slave Clause. Let's try this again...Fugitive Slave Clause if one country. No Fugitive Slave Clause if 2 separate countries. If the difference hasn't dawned on you yet have somebody draw you a diagram and speak slowly to you.

Hispanics in the U.S enjoy constitutional rights with makes it hard to stop a person on sight and demand proof of legal status. Blacks, free and slave, had no rights in the Confederacy so stopping and apprehending would not have been much of a problem for a Confederate police.

Illegal immigrants are foreigners and almost invariably do not speak the language. Still they have poured over the border for decades and decades. The original 7 seceding states (6 with a border with the then US) did not have the manpower or resources to secure such a long border.

416 posted on 10/14/2021 3:59:39 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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