Posted on 09/11/2021 4:14:40 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
And, what pray-tell, does the term “Evangelical” mean to you?
:: Once saved, always saved ::
And, so we see the heresy of Antinomianism that lightman so deftly posed in post 32.
You, FreshPrince are a heretic of finest order.
You twist the Gospel Promises of God to fit your own demonic agenda.
Begone foul spirit!
Grace Cathedral is Episcopalian, not Lutheran. It is huge—I worshipped in it once, long before I was received into the Orthodox Church. They must have been expecting a big crowd!
Why did they pick 9/11 for this bogus installation? Is it another lethal attack on America?
Being saved doesn’t give us license to go against God’s commands. So it actually does matter. Do saved people still sin? Absolutely. But repentance, turning away from sinful ways is part of redemption and without it, one would question whether actual salvation is present.
But I read others “Bible Believers” here state that repentance is not neccessary. Once saved always saved. But you are saying if one sins with no repentance salavation can be lost?
....interesting....
So would a homosexual couple that accepts Christ as their personal lord and savior be saved if they continue their homosexual behavior?
In 1987, when my dad was an ALC pastor, I told a Presbyterian friend of mine that there would be a new group called Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. He said, “I never heard of an evangelical Lutheran. I never heard of any of them going door-to-door, trying to convert people, like Baptists do.” I said, “I haven’t heard of that, either. I don’t know why they chose that name.
That was exactly why I asked the question — never heard “Lutheran” and “Evangelical” together.
(BTW, I’m a P.K., too — Baptist, though.)
No, I’m not saying that at all. When one comes to Christ, accepting Him as Lord and Savior, knowing that He died for our sins and was resurrected from the grave, repentance and acknowledgement of our sinful state is a necessary step of that process, at that time.
Would a holy, perfect and pure God want a bunch of unrepentant sinners with Him in heaven? God wants us to confess and acknowledge that we’ve sinned against him, be willing to turn from sinful behaviors and believe in His grace and who Jesus is.
It seems you have difficulty with this, it’s really quite simple. AND it’s only through Christ that we can know with assurance where we will spend eternity. It’s up to us to chose wisely.
Sorry, I didn't see this question in my earlier response. God loves all people. God hates sin. He hates it because He is holy and pure in every way and God hates sin because it separates us from Him and the love/worship relationship that he created us to have with Him. God cannot even look upon sin.
God has declared marriage to be between a man and a woman. So if the couple willingly continues in what they know God considers to be sin, one must wonder if their "salvation" is genuine, if they have skewed thinking or misunderstanding about salvation. I'll refer you back to what Christ said to the woman about to be stoned.
One last point....God hates sin because he knows it HURTS us.
Would u welcome them in your church as they are? Or throw them out if they didn’t stop?
Our pastor addressed this recently that homosexuals are assured they are welcome and that he encourages them to live as God intended. Actually, the same would go for heterosexual sinners, someone in an affair without being married or while married...really no difference in God’s eyes.
I’d wager that any unrepentant sinner would likely leave the church rather than and before being “thrown out”. The conviction of sin from the Holy Spirit in a person’s life can never be underestimated. However, people can and do choose to ignore those gentle callings of God’s Spirit. So away they go.
I’ve heard Beckett Cook speak in person (see below). His journey is fascinating and perhaps will further illustrate my post above:
https://www.becketcook.com/bio
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/gay-gospel-becket-cook/
...Or someone who is divorced and “remarried” assuming the adultery exception.
I know someone who believes he is saved—very active in the church, and is “married” to a divorced woman and I think no adultery was involved. Sorry, that is living in complete contradiction of Gods law. Yet he gets no flak...Go figure.
“Lutherans are evangelical?”
Absolutely. In the early days of the “Lutheran” Church - before they were given the name Lutheran (which intended as an insult), the early Lutherans called themselves Evangelicals. Lutheran wound up sticking though.
Nevertheless, I’m told that in Germany though at least recent times, Evangelical was the term used. You were either Katlikos or Evangelikos (pardon any spelling, I don’t even know what language that is supposed to be).
At my own church’s congregational meeting a couple of months ago, it was mentioned that they were trying to go over the church by laws, and the council had a hard time finding our incorporation with the state. Eventually, they were able to locate it because even though we are Saint James Lutheran Church, our certificate of incorporation with the state identifies our formal name as Saint James Evangelical Church.
See prior post.
Forgot to add in prior post, but I’ve heard it said that:
Lutherans are catholic but not Catholic, they are orthodox but not Orthodox, and they are evangelical but not Evangelical.
I’ll just follow up to say that the concept of church discipline has gone by the wayside in many denominations and churches today. Church discipline is not to be harsh or judgemental, but is meant to rebuke a believer in love and help guide him/her away from whatever sin, or going against God’s commands it happening.
Returning to the actual article, this person has been placed in a very high level of authority. The Bible tells us that God holds leaders and teachers to an even higher level of accountability. So with this gender confused person making policy, influencing people of all ages including kids and teens and living in ways that are completely contrary to God’s intended way for us, it’s quite disturbing.
“I don’t even know what language that is supposed to be”
It’s Greek. In Seminary I learned a lot of Greek and Hebrew helping my fiance’ study.
That part of the Lutheran history you mentioned is interesting, i.e., that they called themselves Evangelicals. I didn’t know that. I’m glad “Lutheran” stuck; a tribute to a great man.
Like Wesleyan Methodists. Again, a tribute to a great man (men, actually).
All true.
Well so the church is not doing this person I know any favors. His soul may be in jeopardy. I think the reason is if every divorced/remarried person received the due “discipline” as they should then the collection plate would be much lighter, the pews more empty. Which would may explain why said discipline has disappeared.
But yes I agree that those in authority must be held to a higher standard as you state.
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