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Who lost Afghanistan? George Bush, not Joe Biden
The Article ^ | 08/16/2021 | Robert Fry

Posted on 08/16/2021 12:29:41 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

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Every word is contemptible to the level of treason. Had America quit Afghanistan in 2002, Afghanistan would be essentially ISIS in 2003. The U.S. lost Afghanistan when it lost Iraq; it lost Iraq when the calculus was made by cynical politicians and there media lapdogs to count every victim of our enemy as a victim of our war.

We did, however, make an inexcusable mistake: we entered Iraq with the hubris that our goal was to win Iraq’s hearts and minds. With that in mind, our opponent only had to make Iraqis sick of the war, and thereby extension us, and we would lose by our own terms. Japan and Germany came to welcome us because we had conquered them, but we could not win Afghanistan or Iraq until they welcomed us.

The wars needed to be about Osama bin Laden and Sadam Hussein, not about George Bush. Given the choice between a genocidal dictator who leads a nation to utter destruction, and accepting that dictator’s defeat, we might expect a country to choose that dictator’s defeat. Given a choice between a homegrown evil tyrant who brings oppression, and a foreign tyrant who brings endless war, people will choose the homegrown tyrant. And until victory is complete so we can establish justice, prosperity, liberty and safety, we will never be anything other than a foreign tyrant who brings endless war.

Win the war, THEN the hearts and minds.


61 posted on 08/16/2021 1:31:49 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Lurkinanloomin

14 days to flatten the curb...


62 posted on 08/16/2021 1:37:20 PM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: discostu
I’d say Afghanistan lost Afghanistan. When you get right down to it if they’d wanted to form a useful self-sufficient government they would have.

yeah. Its the people and their crappy religion that is the real problem. We tried to help them but no good deed goes unpunished.

63 posted on 08/16/2021 1:38:36 PM PDT by mjp (pro-freedom & pro-wealth $)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

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64 posted on 08/16/2021 1:44:10 PM PDT by sauropod (Time is like quicksilver, smearing the years... - Bill Nelson)
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To: gloryblaze

Note that that line is only used when a Democrat is in charge and could be held responsible. It it is a Republican, then it is on him/her and not shared according to the Dems and media, but I repeat myelf.


65 posted on 08/16/2021 1:45:13 PM PDT by falcon99 (qu)
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To: Leep

“Annihilation and leave.”

Don’t forget the salt.
Future generations will thank us for the tons of salt we plaster our former enemies lands with.


66 posted on 08/16/2021 1:47:51 PM PDT by oldvirginian (I’m getting tired of being part of a major historical event.)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
Thanks for the clarification. Any fool would have known that the Pakis couldn't be trusted. Tommy Franks should have realized this. If we had swiftly sealed off Tora Bora with our own trillion dollar military might, the whole "war on terror" could have been decided then and there. Instead the most wanted terrorists were allowed to slip out the back door.

67 posted on 08/16/2021 1:49:39 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie ("Success is 10 percent inspiration and 90 percent perspiration." — Thomas Edison)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I can agree with this title.

from my home page

I have been advocating for several years a policy I call ‘embaseees’. Embassy + AirBase —> EmBASEeees. We go into a terrorist country, clear out their taliban equivalent, then withdraw to very large Embassies, perhaps 3 of them. Have them big enough to encompass a military airbase where we can use it for decades on end to conduct anti-terrorism operations. As long as the ‘host’ country aint killing Americans then we let them have self-sovereignty. Kind of like how we operated in the Phillipines for decades. We could even have an intermediate zone that we patrol but it would be autonomous. Let them have their taste of freedom. A referendum every 10 years to see how large the boundaries of the intermediate autonomous zone should be.

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68 posted on 08/16/2021 1:54:37 PM PDT by Kevmo ( 600 political prisoners in Washington, DC. You cannot comply your way out of tyranny.)
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To: Durbin
#58: "Trump tried to end it, and Biden f%^&ed it up."

Biden f%^&es up his bib and pudding cups on a daily basis. What can't he f%^&e up?

69 posted on 08/16/2021 1:55:41 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie ("Success is 10 percent inspiration and 90 percent perspiration." — Thomas Edison)
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To: nickcarraway

And now the ChiComs are going to have a go!

I love a good game of “let’s you and him fight”!


70 posted on 08/16/2021 8:24:03 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

“In what might prove to be a defining act of his Presidency, Joe Biden has accepted full responsibility for the US withdrawal from Afghanistan.”

The hell he did.

He blamed everyone under the sun and emphasized that it was really all Trump’s fault.


71 posted on 08/17/2021 7:51:14 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (One Nation, Under Fraud Completely Visible, With Spying and Lying Too All.)
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To: dfwgator

“Bush couldn’t even get Osama Bin Laden in eight years.”

Because you had Dems on the Intel committees who were leaking info to the ny times.

I seem to recall back in 2002 or 2003 the NY times ran a front page article about how we were able to track al-qaeda thru their cellphone use. Within an hour of the paper hitting news stands, every one of aq’s cellphones were turned off.

This happened the morning after the CIA and NSA briefed one of the “select” committees on the hill.


72 posted on 08/17/2021 8:04:09 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (One Nation, Under Fraud Completely Visible, With Spying and Lying Too All.)
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To: 2CAVTrooper

I think Bush really didn’t want to get him anyway to justify keeping us there for his nation building fiasco.


73 posted on 08/17/2021 8:05:21 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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