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To: one guy in new jersey
" Minor v. Happersett declares that nobody has ever questioned the citizenship of individuals born on U.S. soil to two U.S. citizen parents. I am adding to this formula the following: Citizenship in the country of, say, Luxembourg, bestowed at birth via a new Luxembougian naturalization law, with no further action that need be taken by the child or its parents other than the seasonable presentation of proof that at least one grandparent of the child is or was a citizen of Luxembourg. PS...walk the mile with me. Why so skittish? Please. Focus. Kindly answer this question based on the foregoing hypothetical. Is the dual citizen child in question an NBC, or no? "

I'm not sure if you realize it or not but you are using the exact same twisted logic that liberals use about birth not determining gender. Gender is set in stone at birth and no law or argument can change that. You are trying to say that some law in luxumstan somehow changes the physical place of ones birth and or the parents to which they were born and that's simply impossible. Natural born status like gender is set in stone at birth and no law or twisted liberal thinking can change those facts. You can't be born in more than one place and you can't have more than two parents.

It's like saying a man in the United States is also a woman because a law in Electroluxumstan says so. So a NBC of the United states by definition cannot also be a citizen by birth of another country. You are either a Natural born citizen or you are not.

73 posted on 07/19/2021 3:44:39 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: precisionshootist

“I’m not sure if you realize it or not”

I could say something similar about you.

Yes or no? Why won’t you hazard an answer?

Countries can bestow citizenship on whomever they wish by domestic law. By now you must realize that even a Constitutionally sound NBC can end up being a dual citizen without intending it to happen.

Now, natural law, Law of Nations, international law, that’s a different story. One country will typically tend to have a dominant claim on the hide of a particular individual, say, for example, for purpose of obligatory military service. So there’s citizenship, and then there’s CITIZENSHIP. Luxembourg’s claim on the hide of the child in question is, naturally, pitifully weak. The U.S.’s claim, by contrast, is, also naturally, irresistibly strong by virtue of the impossible-to-defeat NBC definition. In a hypothetical international judicial forum, the U.S. would prevail, hands down.

Natural Born Citizen means, for example, that Luxembourg can’t get very far with a campaign to impress the individual in question and other similarly situated individuals off a U.S.-flagged merchant ships to supply crews for their seamen-starved man-of-war battleships, to pull an obscure example out of history. The U.S. if it chooses to do so would be well within its rights to haul Luxembourg before a Law of Nations international judicial tribunal and go about keelhauling its tiny, landlocked ass as a remedy against such wrongdoing.

I’ve heard this “dual citizenship” angle bandied about for years. It’s okay for what its worth, but it’s one or two levels too shallow to shed adequate light on the more complex NBC issue. Further elaboration is necessary which is what I’ve been trying to do with you. Without willing cooperation on your part, sadly. Sort of like what happened with Mark Levin on his book tour in 2013. Not that you’ve done anything wrong at all, but Mark Levin came out of that exchange with egg on his face after multiple on-air attempts to justify his weak position. He ended up looking for sll the world like an indiscriminate Cruz supporter with inadequate respect for the U.S. Constitution (willing to twist its language or ignore its obvious import to benefit a non-NBC friend).


76 posted on 07/19/2021 4:39:49 PM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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