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Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld dead at 88
NY Post ^ | 06302021 | Samuel Chamberlain

Posted on 06/30/2021 1:20:25 PM PDT by rod5591

Donald Rumsfeld, the two-time defense secretary best known for serving in that position at the height of the Iraq War, has died. He was 88.

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To: MinorityRepublican

‘Time’s fun when you’re having flies.’


41 posted on 06/30/2021 2:02:04 PM PDT by Beagle8U ("Jim Acosta pissed in the shallow end of the press pool.")
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To: rod5591

His memoir, published in 2011, is good reading. It’s called “Known and Unknown”


42 posted on 06/30/2021 2:02:07 PM PDT by Marchmain (beware the dictatorship of relativism)
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To: MattMusson

A few years ago I had a presentation to the executive leadership at my company.

Part of it dealt with unknown unknowns.

My slide included that quote along with a photo of me and Rumsfeld standing together.


43 posted on 06/30/2021 2:03:14 PM PDT by cyclotic (Live your life in such a way that they hate you as much as they hated Rush Limbaugh)
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To: zek157

Do you really think Bush was Rumsfeld’s master? Or do you mean that Cheney was the master? Rummy, like Cheney or like McNamara a generation before, was too arrogant and full of himself.


44 posted on 06/30/2021 2:04:00 PM PDT by x
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To: Mariner
Trying to remember the magazine cover that basically had him as a caricature posing like a female movie star....boy did that adornment go south when the war started to go bad, not to mention around election time.

But yeah, dark chapter in American history...another "never forget" moment, more like never forgive, never repeat.

45 posted on 06/30/2021 2:07:36 PM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (Please Pray For My Brother Ken.)
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To: GOPJ

Very well put RIP

‘We were blessed and didn’t know it...’


46 posted on 06/30/2021 2:09:55 PM PDT by deek69
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To: LibertyWoman

Sorry about that. I would edit the link but I am not certain if I can do that.


47 posted on 06/30/2021 2:11:35 PM PDT by rod5591
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To: rod5591

RIP. Not gonna lie, I found Donald Rumsfeld extremely sexy.


48 posted on 06/30/2021 2:11:55 PM PDT by americas.best.days... ( Donald John Trump has pulled the sword from the stone.)
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To: Yo-Yo

I thought he got more flack for saying you go to War with the Military you have.

I think it was in response to the issue of Iraqi IED’s destroying our Humvee’s that weren’t Armored, which caused massive deaths and injuries to our Troops (after the actual War was over)...


49 posted on 06/30/2021 2:13:50 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Trump - Make America Great Again / Biden - Make American Grovel Again...)
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To: x

What a trio; Cheney, Rumsfeld, and McNamara. So many lives wasted under their combined efforts with absolutely nothing gained.


50 posted on 06/30/2021 2:27:14 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America - Where are you now?" The Uni-Party rulz!!!!)
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To: MinorityRepublican
"Iraq was complicated."

There are always unintended consequences. Free Republic cheered Bush and Rummy in the immediate aftemath of 9/11. We were rivited to the F5 key as our forces wrecked havoc in Afghanistan and Iraq. Yet hindsight is a stern teacher. Saddam was evil and deserved to be taken out. Yet our opinion turned with endless war, nation building, and the realization that Hussein was somewhat of a block against Iranian agression. Rumsfield served his nation and seemed to be a decent man. A life well lived.

51 posted on 06/30/2021 2:30:43 PM PDT by buckalfa (I have forgotten more than I ever knew.)
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To: the_individual2014
Stop Loss was devastating, if you cant call on a draft to get more bodies due to the politics, perhaps it is a sign maybe this war is a bad idea.

Especially since the actual Saddam-toppling military operations were a matter of weeks, but then we left our guys there for ten years just to be target practice for jihadis while we engaged in some fool-headed useless "nation building" as if inbred jihadis are EXACTLY the same as Germans and Japanese.
52 posted on 06/30/2021 2:32:57 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: MinorityRepublican

“Iraq was complicated.”

There was a natural balance of power in the Middle East between Iraq and Iran. Iraq under Sadaam served as the regional check on Iran’s desire to expand to its west. Likewise, the threat from Iran required Sadaam to maintain a large armed forces. Saddam miscalculated in moving into Kuwait, starting the first Gulf War. Perhaps the Bush administration had sent confusing signals to Saddam about possible willingness to accept an invasion of Kuwait if Iraq didn’t go on into Saudi Arabia. Or perhaps Saddam called what he thought was a bluff. In any event the US did go in, pushed his army back to Iraq and trimmed his tail feathers. Notably George H.W. Bush, and his advisors, recognized the need to retain the regional balance of power so Saddam was not removed and he retained enough military capability to keep check on Iran.

George W. Bush made the mistake of removing Saddam without having a plan to maintain the balance of power with Iran. Naively the Bush administration thought it could create a democratic state in a nation without the cultural values to support democratic institutions. As a result US troops, and the U.S. treasury paid the price with decades of military occupation and no progress toward democratization. Iran increased it terrorism in the region, despite the presence of U.S. troops. Twenty years after George W. Bush destroyed the natural balance of power in the region, it is in turmoil and less stable than it was when he took office.


53 posted on 06/30/2021 2:33:04 PM PDT by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on it.)
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To: rod5591

A great American. May he rest in peace.


54 posted on 06/30/2021 2:39:02 PM PDT by Captain Jack Aubrey (There's not a moment to lose.)
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To: ImpBill
What a trio; Cheney, Rumsfeld, and McNamara. So many lives wasted under their combined efforts with absolutely nothing gained.

Downsizer Cheney did his damage that's for certain. Rummy? What can I say? Under Ford policy was military went U.A. A policy of discharge meaning instant out via desertion and for many no brig time just a GDC. He wanted this in his second tenure as well but war was on and it didn't happen. McNamara the worse of the worst though.

55 posted on 06/30/2021 2:42:05 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: rod5591

I lost respect for him.

RIP


56 posted on 06/30/2021 2:49:06 PM PDT by sauropod (The smartphone is the retina of the mind's eye.)
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname

Rummy Chick was my first thought too....ah, those were the days.

May his soul rest in peace.


57 posted on 06/30/2021 3:00:23 PM PDT by Veto! (Political Correctness Offends Me)
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To: rod5591

Say what you will about Rummy, but he is going to be voting democrat in the next election.


58 posted on 06/30/2021 3:00:38 PM PDT by GraceG ("If I post an AWESOME MEME, STEAL IT! JUST RE-POST IT IN TWO PLACES PLEASE")
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To: Veto!

Yep, the days when the Deep State pulled the wool over our eyes.


59 posted on 06/30/2021 3:01:21 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Wonderful comments. Thanks for reminding us of that long-ago truth.


60 posted on 06/30/2021 3:02:49 PM PDT by Veto! (Political Correctness Offends Me)
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