Posted on 06/20/2021 12:51:55 PM PDT by DeweyCA
Didn't the Southern states have representation in Congress?
We planted, suckered, cut, hung, and handed off tobacco until the late ‘70’s and never once used a slave...
Your statement is false...
In what way?
Don’t bother
Forget slavery
Go to the Mississippi delta
95% of blacks just sit around
Or move to Jackson or Memphis or Little Rock ....and we see how that’s turned out
Mechanization surely disemployed Delta blacks in my lifetime
I saw blacks and Mexican migrant workers pick cotton as a kid on small farms fancy staple bolls
Now...most delta land is leased to Agri business
You get 200 an acre for productive land around Indianola and Yazoo city’s where I have kin with large tracks
A five thousand acre plantation is a million a year mailbox money
Hard to beat that....
But only a few skilled blacks are needed
It’s pitiful really...
I don’t have any answers there....most of the delta except parts of Warren and Washington and Cohoma counties ...maybe some around Holmes and Yazoo too ....was settled post civil war and these families have been there since...5 or 6 generations ....Holmes county unemployment is four times national average
Slavery ended in one or two generations after it ended here worldwide except Arab pockets
Nuff said that silly argument
Northern views of the war may not have been 100% accurate, but it was Southerners who revised history after the war to write slavery out of the story.
In fact, the overwhelming majority of Southerners fighting the aggression of the North never owned a slave. They were too poor. So, what were they fighting for if not defending their right to own slaves?
When you talk about population that includes married women and children who didn't own anything. The percentage of slaveowning families in the Deep South states was over 25% and in Mississippi and South Carolina over 40%. Of course many Confederates fought because of loyalty to their state and region, but slavery was at the root of the North-South conflict.
They were fighting what they perceived as a federal behemoth attempting to control their lives, tax the hell outta them. Also the North was placing embargo's on goods from Europe, particularly farm equipment.
Talk about rewriting history. You are projecting present-day concerns back on the past. There was no federal behemoth in 1860 and there wasn't much of one after. Southerners had been powerful in Washington before 1860 and feared losing power (and what losing power would mean for the "domestic institution" of slavery).
Southerners didn't pay most of the taxes and there was no embargo on farm equipment. How much farm equipment did Southerners want when slave labor was available? Reliable and effective cotton harvesting machines wouldn't be invented until decades after the war, and shipping large quantities of large agricultural machinery across the ocean wouldn't have been that easy or widespread or profitable.
Mechanical cotton and tobacco harvesters are NOT the only types of industrialization, you know...
Industry moved rapidly across our country...
But he argued (quite persuasively) that slavery would have fallen of its own weight without a civil war, probably within another generation.
Genovese liked the antebellum South because he saw it as an alternative to capitalism. I believe he became something of a conservative in his later years.
Stanley Engerman taught at the same university as Genovese for many years. With Robert Fogel, a Nobel Prize winning economist, Engerman wrote Time On the Cross, a book that argued that slavery was indeed profitable and wasn't going to go away any time very soon. The book was and is very controversial, but the argument is worth considering.
Well, I mean tractors in general as well, but it was also socially unacceptable in western countries at that point as well.
At the end of the day, it makes no difference. None of us were around for that, and none of us had anything to do with it.
If there is discrimination happening now somewhere, sure let’s get to root of the issue and deal with it, but these days it’s all the race baiting that seems to be causing issues. People need to let the 1800s go, we have bigger issues at stake right now.
Saudi Arabia officially abolished slavery in 1962 a century after our Emancipation Proclamation. An estimated one-tenth of the Saudi population is considered Afro-Arabian, though more Saudis may be part-Black. Historically, the Arab world also took slaves from other parts of the world, including Europe.
I'm aware of that. But they wre the ones which would impact plantation agriculture. The original claim was that industrialization would have brought an early end to slavery. The claim is patently false.
The first commercial mechanical cotton picker was demonstrated in 1936.
The South’s view of industrialization is pretty much reflected in a statement by Texas Confederate Senator Louis T. Wigfall
“We are a peculiar people, sir! You don’t understand us, and you can’t understand us, because we are known to you only by Northern writers and Northern papers, who know nothing of us themselves, or misrepresent what they do know. We are an agricultural people; we are a primitive but a civilized people. We have no cities—we don’t want them, have no literature—we don’t need any yet. We have no press—we are glad of it. We do not require a press, because we go out and discuss all public questions from the stump with our people. We have no commercial marine—no navy—we don’t want them. We are better without them. Your ships carry our produce, and you can protect your own vessels. We want no manufactures: we desire no trading, no mechanical or manufacturing classes. As long as we have our rice, our sugar, our tobacco, and our cotton, we can command wealth to purchase all we want from those nations with which we are in amity, and to lay up money besides.”
It's the alternative view that I was interested in - sort of swimming against the tide.
My ggg grandfather was a sharp cookie, banker and investor, London cockney born, so something of an outside observer.
I think you meant “was” pretty much viewed.......
yep, thanks
Most males taken by Arabs for local use were castrated. Females slaves who became pregnant faced abortion or death. Life was cheap. Black bloodlines in Islamic countries were very rare.
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