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Slave Stories History 'Forgot.' Black People Owned Slaves Too
PJ Media ^ | 6-19-21 | Kevin Downey Jr.

Posted on 06/20/2021 12:51:55 PM PDT by DeweyCA

Justus Angel and Mistress L. Horry were wealthy landowners in South Carolina’s Colleton District in the 1830s, in what is now Charleston County. The couple owned 84 slaves each for a total of 168, at a time when most of their peers owned a handful. Their slaves worked their plantation and made them rich. Angel and Horry also traded slaves for profit, showing no regard for dissolving slave families. They were no kinder or crueler to their slaves than anyone else. They were considered “slave magnates” because of the number of slaves they owned. They were referred to as the “economic elite.” They were also black.

Black people owned black people in all 13 original colonies and in every state that allowed slavery. Frequently, freed black people would go on to own more slaves than their white neighbors. In 1830, nearly a fourth of the free black slave masters in South Carolina owned 10 or more slaves, and several owned more than 30, far surpassing their white slave-owning neighbors.

Yes, black people, frequently former slaves themselves, owned slaves. While it can be said that many black people owned family members to protect them and keep them close, black slave owners also bought and sold slaves for profit. Renowned African-American historian and Duke University Professor, John Hope Franklin, wrote “The majority of Negro owners of slaves had some personal interest in their property. There were instances, however, in which free Negroes had a real economic interest in the institution of slavery and held slaves in order to improve their economic status.” Franklin also wrote that roughly 3,000 free black people in New Orleans alone owned slaves.

... it’s now about equity. YOU need to pay for what other white, and black, people stopped doing over 155 years ago.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: blackslaveowners; reparations; slaveowners; slavery
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To: UnwashedPeasant
Both wars were over Government by Consent.

Didn't the Southern states have representation in Congress?

121 posted on 06/21/2021 12:45:52 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

We planted, suckered, cut, hung, and handed off tobacco until the late ‘70’s and never once used a slave...

Your statement is false...


122 posted on 06/21/2021 2:23:28 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC.....Patriotically Correct)
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To: JBW1949
Your statement is false...

In what way?

123 posted on 06/21/2021 2:25:31 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: JBW1949

Don’t bother

Forget slavery

Go to the Mississippi delta

95% of blacks just sit around

Or move to Jackson or Memphis or Little Rock ....and we see how that’s turned out

Mechanization surely disemployed Delta blacks in my lifetime

I saw blacks and Mexican migrant workers pick cotton as a kid on small farms fancy staple bolls

Now...most delta land is leased to Agri business

You get 200 an acre for productive land around Indianola and Yazoo city’s where I have kin with large tracks

A five thousand acre plantation is a million a year mailbox money

Hard to beat that....

But only a few skilled blacks are needed

It’s pitiful really...

I don’t have any answers there....most of the delta except parts of Warren and Washington and Cohoma counties ...maybe some around Holmes and Yazoo too ....was settled post civil war and these families have been there since...5 or 6 generations ....Holmes county unemployment is four times national average

Slavery ended in one or two generations after it ended here worldwide except Arab pockets

Nuff said that silly argument


124 posted on 06/21/2021 2:38:43 PM PDT by wardaddy (Feel my warmth)
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To: servantboy777; BroJoeK; DoodleDawg
It's too bad the victor of the war began revising history. Sure, slavery was part of the reason for the war in many peoples minds, but it was not the primary reason for the war.

Northern views of the war may not have been 100% accurate, but it was Southerners who revised history after the war to write slavery out of the story.

In fact, the overwhelming majority of Southerners fighting the aggression of the North never owned a slave. They were too poor. So, what were they fighting for if not defending their right to own slaves?

When you talk about population that includes married women and children who didn't own anything. The percentage of slaveowning families in the Deep South states was over 25% and in Mississippi and South Carolina over 40%. Of course many Confederates fought because of loyalty to their state and region, but slavery was at the root of the North-South conflict.

They were fighting what they perceived as a federal behemoth attempting to control their lives, tax the hell outta them. Also the North was placing embargo's on goods from Europe, particularly farm equipment.

Talk about rewriting history. You are projecting present-day concerns back on the past. There was no federal behemoth in 1860 and there wasn't much of one after. Southerners had been powerful in Washington before 1860 and feared losing power (and what losing power would mean for the "domestic institution" of slavery).

Southerners didn't pay most of the taxes and there was no embargo on farm equipment. How much farm equipment did Southerners want when slave labor was available? Reliable and effective cotton harvesting machines wouldn't be invented until decades after the war, and shipping large quantities of large agricultural machinery across the ocean wouldn't have been that easy or widespread or profitable.

125 posted on 06/21/2021 2:48:26 PM PDT by x
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To: DoodleDawg

Mechanical cotton and tobacco harvesters are NOT the only types of industrialization, you know...
Industry moved rapidly across our country...


126 posted on 06/21/2021 3:00:41 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC.....Patriotically Correct)
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To: AnAmericanMother
One of my profs back in the 70s, Eugene Genovese, was an out-and-out communist.

But he argued (quite persuasively) that slavery would have fallen of its own weight without a civil war, probably within another generation.

Genovese liked the antebellum South because he saw it as an alternative to capitalism. I believe he became something of a conservative in his later years.

Stanley Engerman taught at the same university as Genovese for many years. With Robert Fogel, a Nobel Prize winning economist, Engerman wrote Time On the Cross, a book that argued that slavery was indeed profitable and wasn't going to go away any time very soon. The book was and is very controversial, but the argument is worth considering.

127 posted on 06/21/2021 3:01:03 PM PDT by x
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To: DoodleDawg

Well, I mean tractors in general as well, but it was also socially unacceptable in western countries at that point as well.

At the end of the day, it makes no difference. None of us were around for that, and none of us had anything to do with it.

If there is discrimination happening now somewhere, sure let’s get to root of the issue and deal with it, but these days it’s all the race baiting that seems to be causing issues. People need to let the 1800s go, we have bigger issues at stake right now.


128 posted on 06/21/2021 3:10:04 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: UnwashedPeasant
What happened to the black slaves sent to Arabia and Asia? Do their bloodlines still exist in those places, or did they die off, or what?

Saudi Arabia officially abolished slavery in 1962 a century after our Emancipation Proclamation. An estimated one-tenth of the Saudi population is considered Afro-Arabian, though more Saudis may be part-Black. Historically, the Arab world also took slaves from other parts of the world, including Europe.

129 posted on 06/21/2021 3:14:35 PM PDT by x
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To: JBW1949
Mechanical cotton and tobacco harvesters are NOT the only types of industrialization, you know.

I'm aware of that. But they wre the ones which would impact plantation agriculture. The original claim was that industrialization would have brought an early end to slavery. The claim is patently false.

130 posted on 06/21/2021 4:37:56 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

The first commercial mechanical cotton picker was demonstrated in 1936.


131 posted on 06/21/2021 4:46:58 PM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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To: JBW1949

The South’s view of industrialization is pretty much reflected in a statement by Texas Confederate Senator Louis T. Wigfall

“We are a peculiar people, sir! You don’t understand us, and you can’t understand us, because we are known to you only by Northern writers and Northern papers, who know nothing of us themselves, or misrepresent what they do know. We are an agricultural people; we are a primitive but a civilized people. We have no cities—we don’t want them, have no literature—we don’t need any yet. We have no press—we are glad of it. We do not require a press, because we go out and discuss all public questions from the stump with our people. We have no commercial marine—no navy—we don’t want them. We are better without them. Your ships carry our produce, and you can protect your own vessels. We want no manufactures: we desire no trading, no mechanical or manufacturing classes. As long as we have our rice, our sugar, our tobacco, and our cotton, we can command wealth to purchase all we want from those nations with which we are in amity, and to lay up money besides.”


132 posted on 06/22/2021 2:54:34 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: x
I didn't get the impression that he liked it particularly.

It's the alternative view that I was interested in - sort of swimming against the tide.

My ggg grandfather was a sharp cookie, banker and investor, London cockney born, so something of an outside observer.

133 posted on 06/22/2021 4:48:49 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: Bull Snipe

I think you meant “was” pretty much viewed.......


134 posted on 06/22/2021 7:28:20 AM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC.....Patriotically Correct)
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To: JBW1949

yep, thanks


135 posted on 06/22/2021 7:55:28 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: UnwashedPeasant

Most males taken by Arabs for local use were castrated. Females slaves who became pregnant faced abortion or death. Life was cheap. Black bloodlines in Islamic countries were very rare.


136 posted on 06/24/2021 10:28:25 AM PDT by .44 Special (Taimid Buacharch)
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