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To: Hojczyk

Which like all 3rd party attempts means the Left wins, just as when idiots who correctly were fed up with Washington D.C. voted for the idiot Ross Perot. I think the same thing may have happened when evangelicals wouldn’t vote for Mormon Romney, not because he was not Conservative enough, but just because he is Mormon.

We are not a nation where splintering off builds parties, it only tears them down.

Big Example: The Bull Moose (Teddy Roosevelt) gave us Woodrow Wilson.

Building a party is building a coalition of folks you can agree with on essentials more often than you will disagree with. Total ideological purity is for the splinters that remain alone and unwilling to gain strength by coalitions WITHIN a party.

Example: I think the Libertarian Rand Paul has been far more successful and effective in the GOP than any any never elected member of the official Libertarian Party.

Example: Pro-Life Republicans have been shaping the GOP for decades and usually, within the party, quite successfully so. How would they have fared if they had chosen not to build from within the GOP but instead to leave it? I think none of what they have gotten done in government well would have been done at all.


372 posted on 01/26/2021 7:12:09 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli
idiots who correctly were fed up with Washington D.C. voted for the idiot Ross Perot

I've got people on here telling me that a Trump third party run will double Perot's vote percentage and draw another 5% from Dems. I don't see it happening.

It will be a Dem plurality win with an EV landslide, just like Bill Clinton in 92.

373 posted on 01/26/2021 7:15:28 AM PST by nascarnation
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To: Wuli
Which like all 3rd party attempts means the Left wins, just as when idiots who correctly were fed up with Washington D.C. voted for the idiot Ross Perot. I think the same thing may have happened when evangelicals wouldn’t vote for Mormon Romney, not because he was not Conservative enough, but just because he is Mormon.

We are not a nation where splintering off builds parties, it only tears them down.

Big Example: The Bull Moose (Teddy Roosevelt) gave us Woodrow Wilson.

Building a party is building a coalition of folks you can agree with on essentials more often than you will disagree with. Total ideological purity is for the splinters that remain alone and unwilling to gain strength by coalitions WITHIN a party.

Example: I think the Libertarian Rand Paul has been far more successful and effective in the GOP than any any never elected member of the official Libertarian Party.

Example: Pro-Life Republicans have been shaping the GOP for decades and usually, within the party, quite successfully so. How would they have fared if they had chosen not to build from within the GOP but instead to leave it? I think none of what they have gotten done in government well would have been done at all.

Correct on all counts, my FRiend.

I also think that SOME (not all) of the folks currently pot-banging for a breakaway party are Marxist/Dem trolls in Conservative online garb. Their job of eliminating opposition is much easier when the Breakaway party splits every vote contest.

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401 posted on 01/26/2021 12:10:17 PM PST by Seaplaner
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