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To: rlmorel
I prefer a more straight up no BS dialogue.

After rereading your responses in this short dialogue, all of which that had nothing to do with my original post or responses, I think you sell yourself short.

What in the hell do they have to do with the lies, disinformation and gaslighting that goes on FR?

50 posted on 01/21/2021 1:02:08 PM PST by deadrock (<img src="WIDTH420WIDTH420.jpeg" width="420">)
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To: deadrock
I don't think we need to go at each other on this, so I'll keep the talk above the table. I was taking issue with the tone of your post. Perhaps I misunderstood you. Let me explain my interpretation:

You wrote: "...The smart people on FR were going on for months about how the Rats were/are scared, afraid, humiliated and desperate..."

It is pretty apparent from that statement you don't think those people were "smart", and that they were going on for months (otherwise being hysterical) because they weren't smart enough to see the plain (to you) truth, that the Left was never in disarray, that they had a plan all along, and the smart people (who you really think were not "smart") were intentionally misleading people with "misinformation" and "gaslighting".

The two points I make are based on my interpretation of your post. If I am wrong, and you really weren't calling these people dumb and hysterical, I can easily admit to misinterpreting your post. And I don't think it was obvious that the Left "had this covered" for a long time.

What I have seen a lot of is people expressing opinions based on their available input, which for a lot of people meant seeing a dynamic guy in front of tens of thousands of people, sometimes different venues on the same day, and making a comparison to a guy who couldn't put together a sentence, seemed like a mentally feeble geriatric patient, whos rallies consisted of tens of people. If the situation were reversed, wouldn't WE have been in disarray? Conservatives tend to be more factually based, and if Trump had mumbled in an address to an audience "Trunalimunumprzure" I don't think we would have been saying Trump was going to kick Biden's butt, we would have been panicking. So I don't think it was a leap to think the Left would be quite anxious about such a feeble candidate.

Also, I know what disinformation and gaslighting are. The key point I make is both of those concepts are intentional and are both intended to cause harm, discord, or discomfort.

Disinformation is pretty straightforward. Is classifying someone's expression of an opinion based on observations of a candidate's behavior as "disinformation" a correct thing to do? That opinion might be wrong, but being wrong with an opinion isn't disinformation. Knowing the truth and presenting something known to be false with the DELIBERATE intention of misleading people is "disinformation".

As for "gaslighting", intentionally giving people false information in a specific way to make them feel that they are perceiving things incorrectly (fully knowing all the while as you tell them they are wrong that they are indeed perceiving things correctly) and done with the intention to deliberately cause psychological pain, discomfort, or confusion-THAT is gaslighting.

I see far more wrong opinions on here, and for my part, would come out and tell them they are wrong, rather than accuse them of gaslighting or misinformation, both of which are far less common in my opinion.

51 posted on 01/21/2021 2:08:39 PM PST by rlmorel ("I’d rather enjoy a risky freedom than a safe servitude." Robby Dinero, USMC Veteran, Gym Owner)
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