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FCC chairman Ajit Pai out, net neutrality back
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| 30.November.2020
| Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols
Posted on 12/01/2020 7:45:23 AM PST by farming pharmer
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Admittedly, I don't understand the net-neutrality issue that well, but if it's being constantly pursued by leftists it's a really bad thing.
All hail the Crap-King's third term if Biden is sworn in.
To: farming pharmer
Net neutrality simply isn’t. Just as Antifascist is not and the anti-Christian Human Rights Commission is not for equal human rights
Look at Youtube, Facebook, and Twitter.
They don’t want ISPs throttling the bandwidth for their content but they sure as hell will downthrottle YOUR own content and your interaction with your followers.
To: farming pharmer
>Admittedly, I don’t understand the net-neutrality issue that well, but if it’s being constantly pursued by leftists it’s a really bad thing.
Basically providers want to be able to charge large streamers like Netflix for clogging up bandwidth with massive streams of video data. Net Neutrality basically says that data should “be treated equally” and thus not charged extra even though video streamers are many times 60-80% of the provider’s bandwidth.
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posted on
12/01/2020 7:51:28 AM PST
by
struggle
To: farming pharmer
Federal Communications Commission (FCC) Chairman Ajit Pai said he plans to leave the commission on Jan. 20, 2021. Typical way Republicans still have no clue about how to deal with government. Under the same circumstances, the RATS always have the outgoing whatever resign before so that the new RAT appointee remains entrenched. That's how we're stuck with them all over the place. I have no problem with Pai leaving, but at least go on January 1 so that the rest of us have a fighting chance because President Trump names his successor.
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posted on
12/01/2020 7:57:28 AM PST
by
Dahoser
(Not separation of church and state, but of media and state.)
To: farming pharmer
Biden is still not President Elect.
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posted on
12/01/2020 7:57:58 AM PST
by
DarthVader
(Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues th the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
To: farming pharmer
Just go back to some old posts. The doctrine had strong support on FR. Some Freepers were worried that they may not be able to stream unlimited amounts of movies while some others wanted the fed to force social media to carry all content. The was also great confusion as to what was to be “neutral”. Many thought this was simply a reg that applied to the physical infrastructure and IP providers. They missed the point that this was about regulating speech.
They entirely misunderstood the issue. One only needs to understand the Fairness Doctrine to get an idea of Net Neutrality will be applied.
To: farming pharmer
As I understand it net neutrality gives government (and their favored corporate buddies) the ability to ration bandwidth as they see fit.
We all know how that works when government is handing out fairness.
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posted on
12/01/2020 8:00:19 AM PST
by
chiller
(Davey Crockett said: "Be sure you're right. Then go ahead'. I'm going ahead.)
To: FreedomNotSafety
>>while some others wanted the fed to force social media to carry all content.
Social media has a legal liability exemption specifically because they agreed not to censor views. They are acting like a publisher now (and a monopoly) and are in violation of their own agreed operating conditions.
To: farming pharmer
Admittedly, I don't understand the net-neutrality issue that well
Net neutrality requires internet providers to treat all internet traffic with the same priority. Without net neutrality providers could setup "fast lanes" where some sites load better and faster than others and charge companies for access to those fast lanes. As a practical result this would allow large established companies to have a competitive edge over new, smaller, startup type companies - potentially stifling innovation.
Internet companies don't like net-neutrality because they'd like to make money off of "fast lanes". Large corporations don't like net-neutrality because they would like the advantage a faster site/connection would give them over newer rivals. New companies like net-neutrality because it's a level playing field and they can compete fairly with established corporations based on better product or idea.
For us as consumers? Getting rid of net-neutrality benefits existing power structures - particularly media companies. MSNBC, CNN, Fox News would be able to afford the "fast lane" and stream fast while OANN or Newsmax would be slower and choppier. Netflix and Hulu would be fast while the next new thing would have trouble getting off the ground. If you're happy with the existing media environment, then getting rid of net-neutrality is probably okay. If you're not happy with the existing media environment then net-neutrality offers a greater chance at innovation and change (particularly from non-mainstream places).
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posted on
12/01/2020 8:03:59 AM PST
by
Boise3981
To: Dahoser
I’ve read the Prez. typically names the heads of agencies like the FCC, so any replacement would be short lived if Biden succeeds.
.....serve at the pleasure of the President.
.....and that won’t be Biden when all said & done.
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posted on
12/01/2020 8:04:14 AM PST
by
chiller
(Davey Crockett said: "Be sure you're right. Then go ahead'. I'm going ahead.)
To: farming pharmer
The fact that rural areas may not have 25mps Internet access hardly seems to me to be a gov't issue. I understand the FCC's role in regulating the Internet in general, but making differential pricing based on geographical area establishes a dangerous precedent.
Rural areas can have such access (e.g., satellite), it simply costs them more. If they felt it was worth it, they'd buy it. Arguing "but the poor children won't be able to do their homework" doesn't cut it either, for the same reason. Indeed, the proportion of children living in rural areas continues to decline, so a blanket "fix" would reach a declining number of people it's suppose to help.
I think our collective goal should be to get the gov't out of our lives, not more into it.
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posted on
12/01/2020 8:05:12 AM PST
by
econjack
To: a fool in paradise
They don’t want ISPs throttling the bandwidth for their content but they sure as hell will downthrottle YOUR own content and your interaction with your followers
Net-neutrality requires providers to treat all content equally. Net-neutrality prevents providers from downthrottling your content.
Get rid of net-neutrality and, you're right, some ISPs are going to downthrottle some content. And given the monopoly on high speed internet that exists in most places, you won't be able to do anything about it.
To: farming pharmer
There are a number of people who have argued that without net neutrality their ISP could cut off or charge extra for FreeRepublic. But they won't do that for cost since FR's bandwidth is minimal and costs the ISP nothing to carry. They can't do it to censor it like Twitter since they have no actual way to do that.
Click on https://45.79.56.181/tag/*/index and you will get a bunch of pointless warnings which you can bypass and then view FR without your ISP getting in the way. Similarly, you should add 8.8.8.8 or even better a non-google DNS server like one from this list https://www.lifewire.com/free-and-public-dns-servers-2626062 Your ISP can really only block your access by messing with DNS and you should never trust their DNS regardless and always use your own. They can block by messing with the routing tables but that's much more difficult and would ultimately fail. Finally they can block like AOL or China by putting you behind a firewall. But that would be rejected and they would go out of business.
In short, net neutrality is for lazy people who think that the government will protect them from ISP hanky panky. But in the long run the opposite is true, the government and ISPs will collude to limit your internet freedom. The only way around it is to be knowledgeable.
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posted on
12/01/2020 8:07:46 AM PST
by
palmer
(Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
To: farming pharmer
I had high hopes, for Ajit.
He’s been a let down, imo.
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posted on
12/01/2020 8:11:13 AM PST
by
Jane Long
(Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
To: Boise3981
Getting rid of net-neutrality benefits existing power structures... There is no "net neutrality" now. The "fast lanes" don't mean anything except for streaming HD video. You certainly don't need streaming HD to be informed and get non-mainstream viewpoints. Low quality video is completely adequate for that.
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posted on
12/01/2020 8:11:42 AM PST
by
palmer
(Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
To: a fool in paradise
The have an exemption because they do not produce the content that is posted. However that doesn’t mean they are required to post all content.
Not that it matters because Net Neutrality is about having the government decide what is proper content. That is why leftist support it.
To: FreedomNotSafety
They missed the point that this was about regulating speech.
Net-neutrality is specifically NOT about regulating speech. In fact, it prevents providers from promoting one set of content over another.
Net-neutrality requires internet service providers to treat all data the same *regardless of content*. If net-neutrality is in effect a stream from CNN and OANN travel at the same speed.
If net-neutrality doesn't exist then someone (say Comcast) might prioritize data from MSNBC and throttle back data from OANN - thus MSNBC would stream fine and OANN would be choppy and slow.
Net-neutrality requires providers to treat all data the same regardless of content.
To: chiller
As I understand it net neutrality gives government (and their favored corporate buddies) the ability to ration bandwidth as they see fit.
The exact opposite actually. Net-neutrality requires ISPs to treat all content the same and give everything equal access to bandwidth. Net-neutrality prevents favoritism.
Without net-neutrality ISPs could promote content from one of their favored corporate buddies over another.
To: Boise3981
The only content that ISPs would ever throttle is HD or 4K. They have no ability to throttle anything else. Just ask the Chinese who get around the Great Firewall. The really amazing thing about net neutrality (as proposed) is that American consumers will be made dumber that Chinese consumers in getting their content.
Instead of advocating knowledgable use of VPNs and other neutrality and privacy enhancing technology, the net neutrality proponents want the government to run the internet. It is dumb and it is dangerous in the long run.
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posted on
12/01/2020 8:17:06 AM PST
by
palmer
(Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
To: DarthVader
Seems we’re gift-wrapping everything and handing it over to the Marxists.
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posted on
12/01/2020 8:18:19 AM PST
by
daler
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