[Dr. Sivana]

These debates never move the needle at all.

They used to. Ford saying that East Europe was not under Soviet domination, Mike Dukakis being completely unmoved as moderator Bernard Shaw set up a hypothetical involving a brutal rape and murder of Kitty Dukakis, Al Gore's sighing audibly throughout one of the debates. Those all moved the needle. In the VP debates, men like Paul Ryan and Jack Kemp showed they weren't really ready for prime time despite their political reputations.

[dfwgator]

They used to. Ford saying that East Europe was not under Soviet domination

Back then, if I were old enough to vote, I would have voted for Carter for that alone.

[dfwgator]

And Tim Kaine looked ridiculous. I seriously think that debate is what tipped the scales in favor of Trump.

Just as I believe Pence will destroy Kamala.

[FlipWilson]

Yes, the debates used to move the needle. Back in the days when you watched the debate on TV and then had the opinion influencers tell you what you saw on a limited bandwidth, you had the alphabet networks and the usual sources.

Now? You have 70,000 bloggers and opinion writers telling you Biden won and 70,000 telling you the opposite.