Palestine quits Arab League role in protest over Israel deals

al Jazeera ^ | 9-22-20

[Fungi]

They don’t give a damn about their “people.” All the leaders care about is money in their bank account, power and control. Arafat, who was not a “Palestinian” was born in Egypt and died with six billion in his bank account. Where did he get all that money?
His wife lives in Paris and gets a 20 million dollar stipend per year
Who is fooling whom here? This is an evil joke.

[Cronos]

What seems likely is that the Palestinians will be officially politically forgotten by the Arab world.

Unofficially they were already forgotten by 2011, but since the Arab spring, their isolation has been further exacerbated.

From an Arab point of view
1. The other Arabs have fought for this Palestine for decades and lost men and money - and land.
2. The economies have changed.
3. There is no pan-Arabism any more
4. There is a fear of Iran’s and Shia dominance.
5. The Palestinians have caused problems in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan etc. - not worth helping

From an Iranian local point of view, the people don’t care about “Palestine” - in fact they resent their government focusing on that rather than
a. the internal problems
b. the real rivalry/enmity with the Saudis

From an iranian government point of view
1. This was always a “rallying point”
2. But now that most sunnis don’t care, the Iranian government won’t find it a useful rallying point either
3. If Israel stays out of Lebanon, then hizb’allah and the Shias in Iraq and Syria won’t care either
4. The iranian regime will fall soon

[Cronos]

Palestinians are nothing more than southern Syrians living high on the hog off of other people’s money.

No, it's not that simple.

A large number were descendants of Egyptians who came before 1948 due to the desert blooming done by the Jews.

But There are SOME "Palestinians" who are or have at least some descent from

• Jews who converted - either to Islam directly or via Christianity
• Idumeans
• Samaritans
• Syriacs

Does that give them the right to take ALL Of the land of Israel for themselves? No

Does it give them the right to take part of the land of Israel for themselves (2 state solution) - No. And I'm saying No from a geo-political point of view. A "Palestine" consisting of small territories separated by Israel is not feasible. Also the fact is that many have Egyptians and Syrian blood and some, like Arafat were half-Egyptian, so they lose the legitimacy of say the Tibetans

The Arab league should be persuaded to offer citizenship to those peoples and within a couple of decades, "Palestine" will be forgotten.

Israel already has arabs and treats them well - no apartheid.

[Cronos]

Actually there is a "Palestinian" history - it's just not relevant to many of those labelled "Palestinian"

After the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD (as seen in the book of Revelations and prophesied by Jesus in the Olivet discourse), the city was levelled, but Jews remained in the land of Judaea

Then came the Kitos war where Jews in Cyprus, Cyrene etc. slaughtered gentile civilians (they depopulated those two places so badly, the authorities had to bring in new colonists) and even more so the Bar Kochkba revolt of 132-136 AD when the Jewish Messiah, Simon Bar Kochkba basically recreated the kingdom of Israel for a few years before being utterly defeated

In 136 AD they were kicked out of the land of Judaea and the land was renamed Philistia

So you can start the "Palestinian history" from this point of 136 AD

136 AD to around 320 AD --> Jews are banned from this area

320 AD to around 600 AD --> Jews are allowed into the land of Judaea but not into the city of Aelia Capitolina (the city that was built on top of Jerusalem -- note that Jerusalem was razed to the ground, it's stones were pulled apart (read Josephus) and the and the land ploughed with salt)

From 320 onwards Jews are allowed into Aelia Capitolina once a year to wail at the wailing wall

there is also the incident around 540 AD with Dhu Niwas - a Jewish king of yemen who massacred Christians and was defeated by an Ethiopian Aksumite Christian army supported by Rome, and Jews were temporarily banned from the wailing wall

From 600 to 640 AD - Jews come to live in the city of Aelia Capitolina - when the Arab armies came, they were aided by Jews inside the walls and after the Arab conquest, the Jews were given free run of the city

640 AD to around 1000 AD --> Jews are in the Jewish quarter. The lands get slowly depopulated - the only industry is religious pilgramage from Christendom and as an entrepot

Under the Crusader states there is the Kingdom of Jerusalem etc. but they are conquered by the Muslims by the 1300s

1300 to 1800 --> the area becomes a backwater with only a few thousand inhabitants. The land is abandoned to goat herds and the goats denude the mountains of trees, shrubs etc. The land is no longer fertile, and is pretty useless. The city of Jerusalem has pilgrims, but Christians are few and Muslims even less

From 1800 onwards - thanks to the rise of nationalism in Europe (due to the French revolution), large numbers of Jews migrate to Israel in Aliyah. NOW you start to see Arabs also coming in to work for the Jews. There are Muslims in the area as well as Christians and Druze and Samaritans.

And that's the history to 1948

[Cronos]

It’s not that simple as I pointed out - look at Suha Daoud Tawil, a Christian from that area. She could be termed autochthonous as her ancestors were from that area. The peoples were Arabized by the late 1800s.

One can call them Israelis - I’m in favor of the one-state solution of an Israel ONLY, no “Palestinian territories” as a Palestine is not feasible.

I’d rather that we returned to the Ottoman policy of calling them by their religion - so the Druze, the Christians, etc. etc.

[SJackson]

You’re right, it’s not that simple. I simply call them Arabs. And of UNWRA’s fake (descendents aren’t refugees) statistics over 70% live in other countries, mostly Arab, where they are largely denied citizenship and resettlement. As you note, Israel has embraced them, granting citizenship. Even to residents of the former East Jerusalem, if they apply.

[Cronos]

Israel has not only embraced them, but granted them complete equality in Israeli law and politics.

In Israel I would call them by their religion - so instead of a monolithic Arab, then you have Christians, Sunnis, Shia, Druze etc.