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EU crisis: Showdown with Turkey sparks military fears as Erdogan mocks Macron's threats
https://www.express.co.uk/ ^ | Sat, Jul 25, 2020 | | By OLI SMITH

Posted on 07/25/2020 7:02:10 PM PDT by RomanSoldier19

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To: RomanSoldier19

Time to remove the 50 U.S. gravity nuclear weapons stationed at Incirlik Air Base in Turkey. Hope they have at least removed the plutonium cores.


21 posted on 07/25/2020 8:28:34 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: Redmen4ever
At 24 tons, as compared to our WASP-class which comes in at 40 tons

Did you mean

At 24,000 tons, as compared to our WASP-class which comes in at 40,000 tons?

22 posted on 07/25/2020 8:34:06 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Redmen4ever

Turkey’s over reaching (IMO) all over the place.
Syria, Greece and Libya.

Germany may offer them some resistance in Libya (money, not troops)- but to curry favor with Russia.
Weird.


23 posted on 07/25/2020 8:38:15 PM PDT by mrsmith (US Media: "Every cop is a criminal; ALL the (non-'white') sinners saints!")
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24 posted on 07/25/2020 8:41:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: ocrp1982

“..It was a great mistake to invite Turkey into the various organizations of western countries....”

Yes, you would have thought the Western democracies understood that Erdogan’s little fiefdom is a blatant Islamic dictatorship that comes with all the trimmings...well, maybe this is good training for the French elite that think the French flag is solid white...so when will our President get a frantic phone call with a French accent asking for military assistance? (chuckle)...I think Macron could learn about that little smile you get from President Trump just after you tell him to go “F” himself that says “Don’t ever call me for help you little EU bastard.”

HeHeHe.....


25 posted on 07/25/2020 8:43:40 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: 17th Miss Regt

yes, sir.

24,000 tons for the Anatolia. 40,000 tons for a WASP-class Amphibious Assault vessel.


26 posted on 07/25/2020 8:46:52 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Redmen4ever

[But, Ergodan is ambitious and he has to deflect attention from his country’s poor economic performance.]


That’s like saying people climb Mount Everest to deflect attention from their day jobs. It’s possible those day jobs are a dreary necessity, and Mount Everest is the primary goal. If Genghis Khan had stayed within his borders after unifying the Mongol clans, would anyone outside of Mongolia have heard of him? If Alexander had been content with conquering the Greek states within Europe proper, how many cities outside of Greece would have been named after him?


27 posted on 07/25/2020 8:48:56 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

I agree with you.

Subordinating government to the people through free and competitive elections restrains ambitious men who seek a form of immortality through war and conquest. The interests of the people are almost always peace and prosperity.

Free and competitive elections also restrains ordinary corruption. Our one-party cities - like the one-party nations of the world - are dysfunctional. Even if their two parties were the Democrats and the Socialists, it would be better for them than having no real alternative in their elections.


28 posted on 07/25/2020 9:07:16 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Zhang Fei

Erdogan competing with a Greek hero?
Tough one, but may be.

IMO he’s playing the East (China_) against the West. Badly.


29 posted on 07/25/2020 9:10:02 PM PDT by mrsmith (US Media: "Every cop is a criminal; ALL the (non-'white') sinners saints!")
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To: BenLurkin; Texas Fossil

“Why are Turkey’s plans to send oil-and-gas research vessels to the Eastern Mediterranean considered some kind of threat?”

They clearly intend to take the oil, and this is sending the workers to get started.

Oil is the Erdogan Crime families favorite source of corrupt income. Erdogan has his son and his son-in-law in charge of oil tanker exports from Turkey, and the domestic Turkish oil industry. They smuggled and skimmed from all the oil that ISIS could get pumped, and regularly fence product for the Iraqi Kurds so they can avoid the central Government in Baghdad.

Erdogan makes claims and took aggressive actions against Israeli gas production off their shores (which caused the Israelis to partner with Russia on production, for protection from Turkey). Erdogan is sending thousands of mercenaries and advanced weapons into Libya, to support the GNA faction, that will license him production of Libya’s off shore oil.

He wants it all. His greed and ambition are unchecked. He had the largest palace on Earth built for himself. He is literally willing to kill people by the thousands - or much more - to gain control over those assets. He robs massive amounts of the revenue for his personal wealth, and to expand his power, by paying off his partners in crime within his political Party.


30 posted on 07/25/2020 9:14:32 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: ocrp1982

luckily I believe there some anti Erdogan forces within Turkey...


31 posted on 07/25/2020 9:16:26 PM PDT by cherry
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To: RomanSoldier19

Turkey is a NATO member . What happened to one for all and all for one..unless the one is against you then it becomes oh, forget it, you’re on your own unless we can sucker the US to come over here and handle it for us.


32 posted on 07/25/2020 9:25:06 PM PDT by chuckee
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To: Mat_Helm

What makes you think the nukes are still there? A number of people I know who served there, tell me they are gone.

Not sure if that means recovered, or if that means made totally inoperative.

This comes up often, I don’t think it is an issue.


33 posted on 07/25/2020 9:25:40 PM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Mat_Helm

Those should have been removed shortly after Turkey wouldn’t allow US to transit Turkey to invade Iraq. It was clear then where this was headed.


34 posted on 07/25/2020 9:27:08 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: BeauBo

Thanks


35 posted on 07/25/2020 9:29:05 PM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: BeauBo

” regularly fence product for the Iraqi Kurds so they can avoid the central Government in Baghdad. “

That’s a good thing.


36 posted on 07/25/2020 9:33:31 PM PDT by mrsmith (US Media: "Every cop is a criminal; ALL the (non-'white') sinners saints!")
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To: chuckee

“Turkey is a NATO member.”

So is Greece. Turkey has also been trying to get into the EU (Greece is), but they never let Turkey in. That has been a stalemate since before Erdogan came to power

In fact, Turkey’s NATO membership is under a lot of strain, because of the way he has bullied Europe with the flow of muslim refugees, and because of his purchase of the Russian S-400 Air Defense System.

Like Israel with their Leviathan gas field under the Mediterranean, and the anti-ISIS/pro US LNA faction in Libya; Greece has drawn closer to Russia in recent years, as a check on Turkish aggression - precisely because Turkey’s NATO membership kept the USA and Europe from effectively restraining Erdogan’s aggressions and attempted thefts.


37 posted on 07/25/2020 9:46:51 PM PDT by BeauBo
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“regularly fence product for the Iraqi Kurds so they can avoid the central Government in Baghdad.”

I know it sounds like I’m saying its a bad thing - but it is Erdogan’s corrupt skimming of the revenue that I am criticizing. His over the top corruption across the board - busting Iranian sanctions, fencing gold from Iran and Venezuela, putting the arm on so many domestic businesses.

His corruption for Iraqi oil, actually enabled an historic reconciliation between the Iraqi Kurdish KDP Party and Turkey. It was genius of Barzani to cut Erdogan in on the oil, to buy him off. It was a lifeline for pro-US Kurds as well, when their Arab counterparts in the Central Government sought to cut them out of the bulk of Government revenue, and starve them into submission.

So it was a much better thing overall, than Turkey’s wholesale funding of ISIS, by smuggling their blood oil out onto the global market for them., or the many other ways he has filled his pockets through the misuse of his office, and Turkey’s National assets.


38 posted on 07/25/2020 10:01:32 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: Redmen4ever

The Greek Navy is their strong suit.


39 posted on 07/25/2020 10:03:14 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo

Yeah. Erd’s getting his cut... and using it to no good.

What amazes me about Erd is he’s basing his acts upon China support- which seems practically just imaginary at this point.

Trump isn’t letting the virus give China openings now.


40 posted on 07/25/2020 10:11:21 PM PDT by mrsmith (US Media: "Every cop is a criminal; ALL the (non-'white') sinners saints!")
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