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To: AndyJackson; All

What we are up against.

https://pandaily.com/coronavirus-compared-to-china-why-does-the-u-s-lack-control/

Shortcomings of Individualism

As a capitalist country, the US social system is built on the belief that individual interests should prevail over that of any social group. In contrast to individualism, collectivism is a set of beliefs that prioritizes groups over individuals. China is an example of a collectivist society.

In China, during the lockdown, going out casually was equivalent to causing trouble to the whole country. The whole country followed the command of the central government to stay at home as much as possible.

“I don’t even remember how many times my temperature got checked,” Hu, my high school classmates posted on WeChat after he went outside for grocery shopping.

In the United States, on the other hand, many people are still leaving their homes for non-essential reasons – going out for runs or walking their dogs without wearing masks even now during the self-quarantine period. Some Americans are still going to church every Sunday, further contributing to the rapid spread of the virus in the country.

“They think it’s their freedom to go outside and they think forcing them to stay home all day violates their basic human rights,” said Ho, a 46 years old Chinese male immigrant. “In general, Americans have no idea of social groups and collectivism,” he added.

Neither individualism, nor collectivism is intrinsically better than the other. Both models have their advantages and disadvantages. However, it is becoming clear that the American individualist framework is unsuited for coping with a pandemic.

“The U.S. may end up less individualistic after the coronavirus pandemic,” Mark Travers, an expert on psychology and survey research, said.

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https://www.edge.org/response-detail/23838

A more mature response would be based on mutual civilizational respect, asking—what can we learn from what the Chinese are doing, how can we help them, and how can they help us to keep up as they create their brave new world?


24 posted on 06/27/2020 5:45:19 PM PDT by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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To: PGalt
“The U.S. may end up less individualistic after the coronavirus pandemic,” Mark Travers, an expert on psychology and survey research, said.

And thus, Americans will embrace the coming "Social Credit" system that China is currently implementing. This is all about conditioning them for it.

29 posted on 06/27/2020 6:01:16 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: PGalt
As a capitalist country, the US social system is built on the belief that individual interests should prevail over that of any social group

I utterly disagree with that premise. A social system, and organization is just as important to economic liberty and prosperity as it is to a person's liberty and happiness. The difference is that communists, socialsts and bureaucro-fascists in DC believe in centralized planning.

The problem with central planning is that it lacks felxibility and the ability to correct when it is wrong. It prohibits individual initiative necessary to make any project work.

The American system relies much more on a constant ongoing negotiation between individual members of a social or economic unit at a local level and that bigger organization. It's a constantly swinging pendulum. General MacArthur argued why that contributed to American military success over better organized, equipped and trained armies.

If someone doesn't like his position he was free to bolt to a mountain top in Idaho, until Reno decided this was a threat to western civilization and called in FBI snipers.

It's a scary system to those who don't understand it. It always seems like it's about to lurch out of control and go over the edge - which it will when the idiots who think they can run everything from Washington DC get totalitarian control.

30 posted on 06/27/2020 6:01:35 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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