I’d like to see some statistical wizard (calling John Lott) estimate how many would have died if infected people had not been sent to nursing homes.
The 2017/18 flu season was especially bad, leading to 80,000 deaths. COVID-19 numbers are approaching 120,000 deaths. Take away those deaths due to the policy of some states to send infections people to nursing homes.
As I understand it, CDC guidelines are that if the coronavirus is present at time of death, the death is to be categorized as a coronavirus death. The autopsy of George Floyd showed he had the coronavirus. So, per CDC guidelines, his was a coronavirus death. The CDC guideline further inflates the number of people who have died from the Coronavirus. By how much?
Between the nursing home fiasco and the faulty CDC guidelines, I would guess (guess!!) that real coronavirus fatalities are more like 100,000, which is worse than that of the worst modern day American flu season.
What would the death rate have been if we had had timely use of HCQ? I’ll hazard another guess, 60,000.
And where will deaths go from here? I can only hope that the current trend of reduced deaths continues.
how many would have died if infected people had not been sent to nursing homes””
That report came out a week or two ago. It stated that year over year deaths were virtually the same if you eliminated the deaths in NY, NJ nursing homes.
Preliminary estimates are 61,000 Influenza deaths in the United States during the 2017-2018 season. On average, Influenza kills 37,000 per year in the United States. (Source)
"COVID-19 numbers are approaching 120,000 deaths."
CDC says 124,325 have died of COVID-19 as of their last update point at 4pm June 26th. (Source) Worldometer has the total at 127,973 as of now (they update throughout the day based on when their sources update). (Source)
"As I understand it, CDC guidelines are that if the coronavirus is present at time of death, the death is to be categorized as a coronavirus death. The autopsy of George Floyd showed he had the coronavirus. So, per CDC guidelines, his was a coronavirus death."
Neither of those understandings are correct. George Floyd is most certainly not categorized as a COVID-19 death per CDC guidelines. Here are those guidelines so you can see for yourself: CDC Guidance for Certifying Deaths Due to COVID-19
"Between the nursing home fiasco and the faulty CDC guidelines, I would guess (guess!!) that real coronavirus fatalities are more like 100,000, which is worse than that of the worst modern day American flu season. What would the death rate have been if we had had timely use of HCQ? I’ll hazard another guess, 60,000."
Well, if we're just going to go off of guesses, I guess it's 195,946. And if we average out all our guesses, we come up with 127,973. Seems reasonable.
"I can only hope that the current trend of reduced deaths continues."
Here's something we can all agree on. And thankfully, that's what the models tell us is going to continue happening, at least into September. But good luck getting the media to report on that.
Died, what nice a neutral word for murdered...
As for the people who deliberately sent the human 'smallpox blankets' to the nursing homes...
Strip their sovereign immunity for violating 18 USC §§ 241 and 242, open the floodgates for a thousand wrongful death civil lawsuits, and no future governor will risk everything he or she owns and their coveted civil service pension.
While we're at it criminal charges are in order.
LouieFisk found this gem:
There’s what’s called “depraved heart” murder - from Findlaw cuz I don’t trust my memory right now:It seems to me that forcing nursing homes to accept patients who are infected or still infectious, while safe alternatives were available, would be an act of a "depraved heart".“Often the intent to kill (or malice aforethought) element of murder can be satisfied by showing that the defendant showed extreme indifference to human life. These are also known as “depraved heart” murders.
Acting with extreme recklessness and knowing that act is dangerous to human life (i.e., firing through the floor of your third-story apartment) and ending a human life may satisfy this intent element, even if the person never intended to kill anyone. This has been argued in fatal DUI cases in which the driver was far too intoxicated to form any intent.”
Bring federal depraved heart murder charges against any governor who ordered infectious patients into facilities with the very most vulnerable people, and any minion who executed those orders.
They've earned the full Michael Flynn treatment, lets make sure the get it...
I believe ESPECIALLY Dr. Levine who knew this would happen, the proof being she moved his own mother out of the nursing home before she forced the eldercare facilities to accept infectious patients.
It looks like mass murder under the color of law, if we could reasonably assume there is anyone else in the Pennsylvania power structure is bright enough to realize that putting highly infectious people into the very most vulnerable population is a bad idea we could include them in conspiracy charges.