[rodguy911]

Brilliant post AB. Unfortunately, like sheep we have been seen to be led to the slaughter.It's possible all this was a test.Just to see if we could be led by those who would rule.
They won this round but now that we know the truth about what is really going on:
The more people that are tested the lower the death rate is. We already have drugs that can control the virus. Sheltering in place is actually counter productive and weakens our immune system. The question becomes will we put heat on our leaders to do the right thing and open the economy back up?
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below is a suggestion by an eastern Va. Medical School
on self treatment for those at home:
Mildly Symptomatic patients (at home):
• Vitamin C 500 mg BID and? Quercetin 250-500 mg BID (if available)
• Zinc 75-100 mg/day
• Melatonin 6-12 mg at night (the optimal dose is unknown)
• Vitamin D3 1000-4000 u/day
• Optional: ASA 81 -325 mg/day
• Optional: Hydroxychloroquine 400mg BID day 1 followed by 200mg BID for 4 days

It's found here:

https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf

EVMS CRITICAL CARE
COVID-19 MANAGEMENT PROTOCOL
Developed and updated by Paul Marik, MD
Chief of Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine
Eastern Virginia Medical School, Norfolk, VA
April 20th, 2020
URGENT! Please circulate as widely as possible. It is crucial that every pulmonologist, every critical care doctor
and nurse, every hospital administrator, every public health official receive this information immediately.
This is our recommended approach to COVID-19 based on the best (and most recent) literature. We
should not re-invent the wheel but learn from the experience of others. This is a very dynamic situation;
therefore, we will be updating the guideline as new information emerges. Please check on the EVMS
website for updated versions of this protocol.

EVMS COVID website: https://www.evms.edu/covid-19/medical_information_resources/

Short url: evms.edu/covidcare

“If what you are doing ain’t working, change what you are doing”
Dr AB (NYC).
“We have zero success for patients who were intubated.
Our thinking is changing to postpone intubation to as
long as possible, to prevent mechanical injury from the
ventilator. These patients tolerate arterial hypoxia
surprisingly well. Natural course seems to be the best.”

[Cboldt]

-- They won this round ... --

But the secret weapon isn't secret any more.

[ROCKLOBSTER]

We already have drugs that can control the virus. Sheltering in place is actually counter productive and weakens our immune system. The question becomes will we put heat on our leaders to do the right thing and open the economy back up?

Corrrect, correct, correct.

Screw "our leaders". Just who do these Nazi-wannabees think they are? They allegedly work for us.

below is a suggestion by an eastern Va. Medical School on self treatment for those at home:

Mildly Symptomatic patients (at home):

• Vitamin C 500 mg BID and? Quercetin 250-500 mg BID (if available)
• Zinc 75-100 mg/day
• Melatonin 6-12 mg at night (the optimal dose is unknown)
• Vitamin D3 1000-4000 u/day
• Optional: ASA 81 -325 mg/day
• Optional: Hydroxychloroquine 400mg BID day 1 followed by 200mg BID for 4 days

Thank you!

Just give everyone access to the HCQ and GTF out of the way!

(thru pharmacies and NG armories)

Let those that deny the "Trump Pill" get sick and suffer (or not).

[a little elbow grease]

"Brilliant post AB. Unfortunately, like sheep we have been seen to be led to the slaughter. It's possible all this was a test. Just to see if we could be led by those who would rule."

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Yes, it does look and feel like a "test". If so, a great many Americans failed the test.

I wonder if there is to be a next "test", should it be graded on "a curve" or "pass/fail".

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks a little elbow grease.

[pugmama]

Dr. Marik's protocol and comments are really important. Time and time again, CDC, WHO etc have published articles that have tied physicians hands. “The pathologies are not novel, although the combined severity in COVID-19 disease is considerable. Our long-standing and more recent experiences show consistently successful treatment, if traditional therapeutic principles of early and aggressive intervention is achieved, before the onset of advanced organ failure. It is our collective opinion that the historically high levels of morbidity and mortality from COVID-19 is due to a single factor: the widespread and inappropriate reluctance amongst intensivists ( these are critical care physicians)to employ anti-inflammatory and anticoagulant treatments, including corticosteroid therapy early in the course of a patient’s hospitalization. It is essential to recognize that it is not the virus that is killing the patient, rather it is the patient’s overactive immune system. The flames of the “cytokine fire” are out of control and need to be extinguished. Providing supportive care (with ventilators that themselves stoke the fire) and waiting for the cytokine fire to burn itself out simply does not work. This approach has FAILED and has led to the death of tens of thousands of patients. The systematic failure of critical care systems to adopt corticosteroid therapy resulted from the published recommendations against corticosteroids use by the World Health Organization (WHO), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and the American Thoracic Society (ATS) amongst others. A very recent publication by the Society of Critical Care Medicine and authored by one of the members of our group (UM), identified the errors made by these organizations in their analyses of corticosteroid studies based on the findings of the SARS and H1N1 pandemics. Their erroneous recommendation to avoid corticosteroids in the treatment of COVID-19 has led to the development of myriad organ failures which have overwhelmed critical care systems across the world. Our treatment protocol targeting these key pathologies has achieved near uniform success, if begun within 6 hours of a COVID19 patient presenting with shortness of breath or needing ≥ 4L/min of oxygen. If such early initiation of treatment could be systematically achieved, the need for mechanical ventilators and ICU beds will decrease dramatically. It is important to recognize that “COVID-19 pneumonia” does not cause ARDS. These patients have 
normal lung compliance with near normal lung water (as measured by transpulmonary thermodilution). Treating them with early intubation and the ARDNSnet treatment protocol will cause the disease you are trying to prevent i.e. ARDS.These patients tolerate hypoxia remarkable well, without an increase in blood lactate concentration nor a fall in central venous oxygen saturation.