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To: heartwood

RE: What I fear is that he may be a lying self promoter greatly exaggerating his results, perhaps fooling himself. I hope and pray he is not.

OK, let’s look at motives — what does he have to gain by lying?

If his patients are fake it would be a simple matter to ask a few of them to come out as testimonials. He serves a community of 35,000 Hasidic Jews. It won’t be hard to find these people.

Also, what financial gain does he get from this? The 3 drug cocktail are so common and cheap that I can’t make head or tail of how he makes money off this, unless he owns the companies that make them. DOES HE?


73 posted on 04/24/2020 12:13:16 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: SeekAndFind

Kiras Joel is a Satmar hasidic enclave. Nobody’s going to speak publicly without permission their Grand Rabbi Aaron Teitelbaum, who himself has CV. They don’t want the attention and have minimal interest in a political minefield.

Zelenko has spoken out because he’s a Chabad Lubavitcher not under Satmar, even though he’s been a family practitioner for Satmars for years.


77 posted on 04/24/2020 12:27:00 PM PDT by jjotto (“Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.”)
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To: SeekAndFind

He gets respect and adulation. He is a savior. This community pays enormous honor and deference for their rabbis; he is at that level, a saver of lives.

Suppose a patient comes to him, 60 y.o. female, history of hypertension, experiencing fatigue, palpitations and shortness of breath.

Zelenko knows there is Covid19 in the community, at a fairly high incidence. He believes he needs to treat early, so he prescribes according to the protocol.

Does he do a test for the virus? No. He has already tested the community. He actually has said this. He does not want to wait days for results.

Does he run the test anyway to confirm the diagnosis, even though he starts to treat immediately? Unknown.

Does the patient have a fever? Unknown.

Does Zelenko do bloodwork that could indicate the presence of a viral infection? Unknown.

Does the patient have a low oxygen saturation? Unknown.

Xrays? Unknown.

The patient gets a prescription from the savior doctor and feels better. Did she recover from Covid 19? Or did Zelenko treat anxiety with a placebo?

And that is why we need data.

Intelligent and well-meaning people can fool themselves.

Deceivers exist everywhere.

Understand, I very much want Zelenko and his treatment to be the real deal.

Data. Please.


82 posted on 04/24/2020 12:34:23 PM PDT by heartwood (Someone has to play devil's advocate.)
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