Protesters continue to push California reopening, but Gov. Newsom urges caution...

KTLA NEWS ^ | April 20, 2020 | Erika Martin

[L.A.Justice]

With continuing protests surrounding California’s stay-at-home order and local governments asking to reopen their economies before statewide restrictions are lifted, Gov. Gavin Newsom on Monday said he wants to keep the entire state on a similar timeline for reopening.

Newsom’s statements came as dozens of demonstrators descended on the state’s capitol in Sacramento, after the governor says they were granted a permit by California Highway Patrol.

“My understanding is the protest that CHP has supported has physical distancing that was allowable on the basis of people being in their vehicles and not congregating as a group,” Newsom said during his coronavirus briefing Monday.

The governor told reporters he would reach out to CHP for details on why the permit was approved.

The Sacramento Bee said its questions to CHP were referred to two other agencies before the state Senate president pro tempore’s office said it would look into whether the permit was valid.

At least 100 vehicles circled the Capitol, horns blaring, as another 200 protesters marched with signs protesting the shutdown that has paralyzed the economy. Many marchers did not wear masks and crowded together, defying recommendations to minimize the spread of the virus.

The protest was organized by a group called Freedom Angels that has previously organized rallies against California legislation to restrict vaccine exemptions. While it was organized as a call to reopen businesses and communities, some protesters questioned whether they would be forced to be vaccinated or tested for immunity to return to work or schools.

“Tracking + tracing = tyranny,” read one protest sign.

It was the latest in a series of recent protests nationwide after President Donald Trump on Friday tweeted messages that some saw as encouraging protests against stay-at-home mandates.

Meanwhile, Newsom said he approved Ventura County’s plan to reopen golf courses and parks, but signaled other restrictions aimed at slowing the virus’ spread would not be relaxed before the state itself does so.

“There is a cap in terms of the loosening at the local level,” Newsom said. “The cap is an expectation that they do not go beyond those state orders.”

Los Angeles County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer urged residents not to go to neighboring Ventura County, where continuing restrictions include social distancing and reduced parking.

When asked about a letter from San Luis Obispo County leaders requesting to begin “phased reopening” of their local economy over the next three weeks, Newsom warned that “this virus knows no jurisdiction.”

“The worst mistake we could make is making a precipitous decision based on politics and frustration that puts people’s lives at risk, and ultimately sets back the cause of economic growth and economic recovery,” he said.

The governor said he understands the anxiety of not just the protesters, but “40 million Californians staying at home saving people’s lives.” But he asked anyone who wants to express free speech to “do so in a way that not only protects your health, but the health of others.”

San Luis Obispo County argues that its cases aren’t increasing like in other areas; on Monday, the county reported no new cases of COVID-19.

The governor said he’s “seen many letters stacked up around this conversation.” He promised to release Wednesday an updated plan for reopening that’s still based on where the virus is spreading, and whether there’s a reduction in transmissions and hospitalizations.

“Those are the determinants: Science, health,” he said.

Newsom said the six-prong statewide roadmap will be updated every Wednesday to “give you a sense of where we are,” and it will include geographic breakdowns so people can “understand where they as individuals — not just we as a state — are in relation to the progress made.”

[L.A.Justice]

Talk show host Mike Gallagher talked about protests...

He suggested that people should wear masks and maintain social distancing during protests...He was concerned that media will make fun of those people...Then later Gallagher said that media will make fun of protesters no matter what they do...

About CA's governor... Is he waiting until there is no chance that someone will be infected with coronavirus? Then end the shutdown?

When I listen to Governor Gavin, I get annoyed...Come on, we cannot live without taking any chances...

[jazminerose]

Link?

I am very curious as to the specific locations of the protests.

[Rennes Templar]

“The worst mistake we could make”... is destroying our country over a new strain of flu.

[jarwulf]

I have a lot of sympathy for the protestors but I wish some of them would take a slightly more measured approach to this . Go ahead and fight for your right to earn a living but that doesn’t mean you have to go hogwild in the other direction right away and pack together like sardines without any precautions for hours. I mean, you can have all the goodwill you want but what if some jerk who opposed you deliberately tried to infect people?

[FormerFRLurker]

Take all the chances on your own life you want. But you do not have the right to endanger others.

[Grampa Dave]

Common Sense and Human Interface
Conservative Treehouse | Apr 20 2020 | sundance
Posted on 4/21/2020, 5:30:47 AM by Presbyterian Reporter

As Georgia Governor Brian Kemp announces the reopening of various sectors of the state economy, perhaps a rather obvious point needs to be highlighted…

There are few high-traffic businesses more densely populated than grocery stores.

In fact, within the U.S. economy retail supermarkets have the highest foot traffic of any business sector in the entire economy; that’s just an empirical fact…. and the coronavirus impact increased that foot traffic by an average of 40 percent. Now, stop and think about this logically & apply a large dose of common sense. Think about human-to-human interface.

First, with approximately 90 percent of the total U.S. population penetrating through grocery outlets; and with 100% of that massive number of consumers going through checkout lanes; if the COVID-19 viral strain was as significant as claimed by the worst-case data, then supermarket cashiers would have been the highest exposed profession of U.S. workers in the entire nation. There wouldn’t even be a close second place.

Considering that metric; and considering the overall population penetration & density within the business operation; there has not been an employee-based business disruption due to the coronavirus. Put another way: the coronavirus has not stopped the function of the highest human interface occupation in the entire U.S. economy.

Secondly, think about the businesses that are closed; perhaps think about your job that may have been shut down…. now frame your risk based on the supermarket example as highest human interface and highest population penetration in any business field.

If the #1 at risk industry has operated, essentially without disruption and with almost zero substantive mitigation, while carrying the largest population exposure rate, then all other less-exposed business operations would have significantly less operational risk.

Why would anyone be concerned about opening their business?

If you take the factual outcome of the retail food industry as a measure, it would follow that other than a few proximity businesses which may need prudent modifications or remain temporarily closed (ex. modified airplane seating, concerts, stadiums or capacity seating venues etc), then all other businesses should immediately resume operations.

No other business segment within the economy is as exposed to the population as the retail food business; and yet supermarkets operated without issue.

[Grampa Dave]

In her first interview on "Fox News Sunday" since 2017, Billionaire House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., spoke to anchor Chris Wallace about the coronavirus pandemic and its effect on Americans.

"People are taking to the streets, pushing back against some of the more stringent restrictions in some states," Wallace said during the interview, which is set to air Sunday on Fox News Channel. "Can you understand why they're doing that?"

Let them eat Ice Cream, Pelosi responded: "No, not, not really because what we have to do is, is, is shelter in place. That is really the answer."

Meanwhile, Nancy, In the real world, not your Ice Cream billionaire world, Our economy/citizens have been brutally raped/abused with the actions of your fellow elites, democrat governors and mediots!

“A shutdown is a broadly destructive solution, to a problem that could have been solved with far more targeted approaches!"

Quarantines only work to keep a small amount of sick people from going out and spreading the disease!

They don’t work to keep the vast majority of healthy people locked inside.

Thanks to HotHunt for this great visual!

If people want to stay home, let them! NO ONE wants to force them to go out!

[ican'tbelieveit]

99% of those infected will not be impacted by more than sniffles, if at all.

No different than the risk you took being crammed together before 2020.

[PGalt]

Navin Gruesome ALERT! Posts BUMP!

[ican'tbelieveit]

Everyday I get in a car to drive somewhere, there is a possibility, however small, that I endanger others.

Life is risk.

I happen to be one of the high risk people for this virus being serious. I am educated; I am taking care of myself. But why do my healthy adult children have to suffer consequences because of me?

[CodeToad]

[CodeToad]

"Take all the chances on your own life you want. But you do not have the right to endanger others."

Freak out and be paranoid all you like but you don't have the right to violate the liberties of others.

[Vaduz]

May want to take note of color

[FormerFRLurker]

Everyday I get in a car to drive somewhere, there is a possibility, however small, that I endanger others.

If every time you got into a car accident you wrecked 2-3 other cars in addition to your own and those cars in turn wrecked 2-3 other cars I think most people would say you were a reckless driver and support a suspension of your driver's license.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/coronavirus-may-spread-faster-than-who-estimate#Higher-estimates-than-WHO-predict

But why do my healthy adult children have to suffer consequences because of me?

As a non-obese non-asthmatic non-diabetic 30 year old I am very unlikely to die from CV. However, practically every cold I have ever had has turned into bronchitis. If I get CV I will probably end up in the hospital taking up resources that could be devoted to a heart attack or appendicitis victim. My lungs might end up permanently damaged and I will be a net expense to the economy for the rest of my life, which could be awhile. The tiny boost the economy would get from me returning to work and normal consumption levels is more than offset by these costs.

If anything the fact that I am young and relatively healthy means it would take longer for me to show symptoms, so I would infect more people before being diagnosed. Asymptomatic carriers are 1-3% of CV patients, but account for 10% of new infections.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-study-estimates-rate-of-silent-transmission#Questions-remain

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-recovery-damage-lung-function-gasping-air-hong-kong-doctors-2020-3

[FormerFRLurker]

Even Constitutional rights have been suspended in times of emergency. I don’t say we have to like it but the precedent is there.

Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War.

W passed the Patriot Act in defiance of the 4th and 5th Amendments after 9/11. Interesting how many people, even on FR, are okay with the Patriot Act still being in place 18.5 years after a terrorist attack that claimed 3,000 American lives but not okay with a quarantine that has lasted less than 40 days to guard against a disease that has claimed over 44,000 American lives.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

And then there is the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918:

“Philadelphia’s response was too little, too late. Dr. Wilmer Krusen, director of Public Health and Charities for the city, insisted mounting fatalities were not the “Spanish flu,” but rather just the normal flu. So on September 18, the city went forward with a Liberty Loan parade attended by tens of thousands of Philadelphians, spreading the disease like wildfire. In just 10 days, over 1,000 Philadelphians were dead, with another 200,000 sick. Only then did the city close saloons and theaters. By March 1919, over 15,000 citizens of Philadelphia had lost their lives.

St. Louis, Missouri, was different: Schools and movie theaters closed and public gatherings were banned. Consequently, the peak mortality rate in St. Louis was just one-eighth of Philadelphia’s death rate during the peak of the pandemic.

Citizens in San Francisco were fined $5—a significant sum at the time—if they were caught in public without masks and charged with disturbing the peace.”

https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/1918-flu-pandemic

Sound familiar?

[glennaro]

If you remain this fearful of the Chinese Virus -- neglecting, of course, to note that the drastic lockdown/forced house arrest/isolation was to serve a singlular purpose ... to prevent hospitals from exceeding their capacities when the virus peaked ... which was accomplished quite successfully -- then you should stay locked away until such time as your benevolent governor grants you his blessing that it's safe for you to go outside and be around other human beings.

The objective of the lockdown -- the objective everyone signed up for and voluntarily ceded (temporarily their freedom, their jobs and their dignity to an elected politician -- has been accomplished. You're trying to sell a new reason to continue the liberty-destroying lockdown -- no more deaths from the virus -- and Americans aren't buying what you're selling. So stay home! The vast majority of regular people have other things to do with their lives.

[ican'tbelieveit]

Um, you aren’t saying this to me? If you are, you did not read my post.

[FormerFRLurker]

Far from “freaking out” I have every confidence the American economy will recover, even rebound, once the restrictions are lifted. A few years after the Spanish Flu epidemic of 1918 we had the Roaring Twenties. And yes, there were shutdowns during 1918 as well.

I’m not quite sure how my sitting quietly at home exercising my First Amendment rights is violating the liberties of others, unless you wish to make the argument that businesses somehow have a Constitutional right to my hard-earned money. I’m not particularly inclined to support any non-essential business that recklessly endangers its customers’ and workers’ safety by opening before we have enough tests and contact tracing programs.

[ican'tbelieveit]

You prove my point.

ANYTHING could kill you, even a simple cold.

Why do people have to lose their whole lives, their businesses, their life savings, because ANYTHING could kill YOU.

The responsibility for YOU lies with... YOU.

[glennaro]

You’re right and I apologize ... sincerely so. It wasn’t you I meant to reply to. (Getting old can sometimes be a b!tch!)