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With ventilators running out, doctors say the machines are overused for Covid-19
statnews.com ^ | 4/8/20 | SHARON BEGLEY

Posted on 04/08/2020 6:08:52 PM PDT by CaptainK

Even as hospitals and governors raise the alarm about a shortage of ventilators, some critical care physicians are questioning the widespread use of the breathing machines for Covid-19 patients, saying that large numbers of patients could instead be treated with less intensive respiratory support.

If the iconoclasts are right, putting coronavirus patients on ventilators could be of little benefit to many and even harmful to some.

What’s driving this reassessment is a baffling observation about Covid-19: Many patients have blood oxygen levels so low they should be dead. But they’re not gasping for air, their hearts aren’t racing, and their brains show no signs of blinking off from lack of oxygen.

That is making critical care physicians suspect that blood levels of oxygen, which for decades have driven decisions about breathing support for patients with pneumonia and acute respiratory distress, might be misleading them about how to care for those with Covid-19. In particular, more and more are concerned about the use of intubation and mechanical ventilators. They argue that more patients could receive simpler, noninvasive respiratory support, such as the breathing masks used in sleep apnea, at least to start with and maybe for the duration of the illness.

“The patients in front of me are unlike any I’ve ever seen,” Kyle-Sidell told Medscape about those he cared for in a hard-hit Brooklyn hospital. “They looked a lot more like they had altitude sickness than pneumonia.”

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: emptyhospitals; fud; herdimmunity; swag; ventilators
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To: Styria

VBG’s are accurate when you want to know Ph, and Co2...And Pox units can tell us their Po2,,pretty much,.


41 posted on 04/08/2020 7:06:17 PM PDT by Osage Orange (FWIW)
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To: CaptainK
My Father had sleep apnea and was using a cpap.

After he develoled Parkinson's Disease he coul no longer tolerate it.

He would wake up gasping with an O2 Sat of 70.

Against the doctor's advice I put him on O2 with a nasal cannula.

He would sleep through the night with an O2 sat of 98%.

42 posted on 04/08/2020 7:06:34 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: Paladin2

No. they are not. One of the things it is clear we need to do in this illness is limit fluids. Those that get a lot of fluid early on clearly do worse. The most potent volume expander there is is blood. In addition all blood transfusions cause an inflammatory response in the body. Blood is the last thing I would give here people


43 posted on 04/08/2020 7:06:36 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: TexasGator
"Can" is the operative word.

You "can" be an ass...and I "can" be an ass....

I've been one...I know you have been one.

44 posted on 04/08/2020 7:09:54 PM PDT by Osage Orange (FWIW)
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To: Eagles6
Whatever works....people are special editions...

Good for you..to see that.

45 posted on 04/08/2020 7:11:50 PM PDT by Osage Orange (FWIW)
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To: Osage Orange
OK.

It is no secret that ventilators can damage the lungs.

46 posted on 04/08/2020 7:11:51 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: CaptainK
Everyday in every way this disease gets stranger and stranger

I see that we have a student of Emile Coue.

47 posted on 04/08/2020 7:12:54 PM PDT by Salvey
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To: TexasGator
You ain't a Doc...nor I don't think you have any medical experience.

I do...

And what you just said there is totally false.

48 posted on 04/08/2020 7:13:41 PM PDT by Osage Orange (FWIW)
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To: Mom MD

So bleed them and then transfuse them.

Does CV attack the hemoglobin?

How else to get O2 in the blood stream to oxygenate the organs?


49 posted on 04/08/2020 7:15:36 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

I only watched the video portion of the doctor. But 60 gHz is the ‘human’ frequency. The hardware your soul occupies is ‘tuned’ to 60gHz


50 posted on 04/08/2020 7:16:20 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

I’m unaware of any 60 GHz hardware in my house or vehicles.


51 posted on 04/08/2020 7:17:47 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Salvey

I did that on my own.
I had to look Emile Couep.


52 posted on 04/08/2020 7:18:06 PM PDT by CaptainK ('No collusion, no obstruction, he's a leaker')
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To: Paladin2
ECMO...but that is a last resort...in these cases.

I've seen it work in other cases...

53 posted on 04/08/2020 7:19:14 PM PDT by Osage Orange (FWIW)
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To: Osage Orange

“You ain’t a Doc...nor I don’t think you have any medical experience.
I do...
And what you just said there is totally false. “

ROTFLMAO! To claim that ventilators do not damage the lungs is pure idiocy.

Of course, you have more experience with drugs and knives than I do.


54 posted on 04/08/2020 7:20:33 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Paladin2

That makes absolutely no sense. The transfusion still causes a diffuse inflammatory response in the body and we did away with blood letting as a treatment back In the days of the revolutionary war. I simply do not see this disease as an attack on hemoglobin and even if it was your proposal would kill a lot more people a lot faster


55 posted on 04/08/2020 7:20:43 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: TexasGator

Would an iron supplement help resolve the problem???


56 posted on 04/08/2020 7:21:51 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around. God gives countless clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Not quite: the lung tissue cells are where the virus replicates and destroy the cells in the process; these dead cells and the fluid buildup of debris prevents the alveoli from functioning to be the environment for gas exchange; one of the reasons smokers and COPD patients are usually doing worse than others. This virus is not like any other I have ever studied. It is a two prong killer.


57 posted on 04/08/2020 7:22:52 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: CaptainK

Sit people next to the ventilation.


58 posted on 04/08/2020 7:23:54 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: CaptainK

I did not watch the part after the doctor’s message, so I will not address the 5G ‘potentials’?


59 posted on 04/08/2020 7:24:29 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: TexasGator

““You ain’t a Doc...nor I don’t think you have any medical experience.
I do...”

Giving CPR and applying tourniquets during gang fights?


60 posted on 04/08/2020 7:25:58 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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