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University of Pennsylvania to Test Much-Discussed Coronavirus Treatment Drug Hydroxychloroquine
NBC News Philadelphia ^ | 04/03/2020 | By Rudy Chinchilla

Posted on 04/03/2020 11:51:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

Clinical trials are the very foundation stone of Western medicine. Without proper clinical trials, we simply cannot know whether or not a medicine actually works — and, we certainly cannot know how well it works, compared to any of the alternatives.

These trials are proceeding at incredible speed (the FDA drug approval process normally takes an average of 12 years).

I’m probably in more worried about all this than most — but, I would be absolutely panicked about it if the top health organizations in the world were following your advice.


21 posted on 04/03/2020 1:18:41 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: SeekAndFind; bus man; C210N; Intolerant in NJ; pepsi_junkie; Physicist; Scarpetta; ...
UPenn, as an institution, loathes President Trump, who with three of his children, is an alumnus. They loved him, boasted of him and loved his donations before he became President, however.

Penn appointed Joe Biden to an honorary faculty position in the year preceding the past presidential election, banking on a win for Hillary and Penn's final descent into strident atheist marxism. They were horrified when their plans failed, and have never printed one positive word about Trump's presidency in their mass-circulation magazine, Pennsylvania Gazette (founded, along with the University itself, by Ben Franklin and in continuous publication ever since). This, even though he is the first and only alumnus/ to become POTUS in Penn's long history since before the American Revolution; whereas several other Ivy League schools have long boasted of many.

Long story short, don't hold your breath looking for any sort of affirmation from the University of Pennsylvania of a drug regimen once touted by Donald Trump, class of '68, UPenn Wharton School of Business.

22 posted on 04/03/2020 1:19:34 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Party that freed sIaves, passed Civil Rights is called racist by the party that started the KKK.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I love how this works. They find a medication that could have serious positive consequences in a deadly pandemic, and several weeks later they talk about testing it next week.
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I saw one report that indicated HCQ could be helpful in treating corona virus and the CDC had known about the report for about fifteen years and no tests were conducted. They do not want HQC in the picture because it is dirt cheap and it has a broad spectrum use in the treatment of any diseased human cell. It is what is called an ionophore, which means it has the ability to open the human cell wall and act as a bridge to allow in all sorts of therapeutics (i.e., zinc) into a diseased human cell to attack the disease.


23 posted on 04/03/2020 1:19:54 PM PDT by iontheball
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To: iontheball
They do not want HQC in the picture because it is dirt cheap
24 posted on 04/03/2020 1:23:04 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (BLACK LIVES MAGA)
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To: Truthoverpower
Colloidal silver has not been shown effective against new virus from China

Arsenicum, colloidal silver and other ‘remedies’ that won’t cure coronavirus

25 posted on 04/03/2020 1:27:32 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Party that freed sIaves, passed Civil Rights is called racist by the party that started the KKK.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

I’m very familiar with clinical trials. How long they take, how to construct them, how expensive they are. And especially, the ethics of putting people on placebo where outcomes can be severe injury or death.

It’s flat out unethical.

And India is giving Hydroxychloroquine to all first responders and front line medical personnel, by mandate. Sotuh Korea, Spain, France, and other countries are allowing the same people to use it, too. Spain especially. Several US hospitals have already stated they are allowing it, as well. And med professionals all over the country are on it, too. Every day we read of more.

So, start panicking, because it is happening now.

I’m trying to get it.

But suit yourself.


26 posted on 04/03/2020 1:28:08 PM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (Unredact the 99 page Collyer Report!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN2p17oimhE


27 posted on 04/03/2020 1:34:18 PM PDT by 353FMG ( .)
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables
I mostly agree, with a couple caveats.

Prophylactic mass treatment per the India Protocol, aka malaria prophylaxis dosing, is the only option with a chance to get through this at an acceptable cost in both lives and money. We already know it’s safe, no delay for safety testing necessary. No other treatment imaginable can claim that, certainly not the ruinously expensive social distancing pushed instead. It’s available now, and because of the small dosage it stretches the available drug supply further. There will be some who have contraindications so can’t take it. But, like with vaccination the goal isn’t perfect protection of all, it’s about reducing the numbers of those susceptible enough to interrupt viral spread.

We might not have enough drug to go around initially so pushing production hard is indicated. I don’t know any details on its production but have noticed articles touching on that both state “it’s not difficult to make” and often mention having procured supplies if enough precursors to make X number off doses. Sound like there are some precursors whose supply Trump also needs to push to enable your otherwise good plan to use DPA to coerce production.

The only piece we now lack is real world proof that it works. Risk adverse politicians and media won’t allow wide use prior to that proof. But now that we have timely accurate viral testing and and allegedly vast supply of both rapidly spreading virus and of exposed folks at risk either the proof or its disproval should have been obtainable swiftly. If the coming wave of deaths is as bad as some predict, even using the drug to treat those already ill should have been prioritized below running a study large enough to get rapid results on this. The potential in deaths avoided via prophylaxis is much greater than the numbers of those critically ill now. If disproven then we’re stuck with the current economic disaster plan. But if it works you start throwing prophylactic drug around like fire suppressant on everyone known to be exposed and can soon reopen the economy.

28 posted on 04/03/2020 1:42:05 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (waiting for the tweets to hatch)
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

>>That’s it, you are temporarily safe from the virus.<<

Evidence? First I’ve heard of it if it exists.

Or is someone just “declaring” them temporarily safe from the virus?


29 posted on 04/03/2020 1:42:53 PM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left....completely!)
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables
Assuming that these drugs work, without scientific testing = a potential catastrophe.

Following the usual, very lengthy, protocols for clinical trials = a criminally insane idea during a crisis.

Conducting a great many simultaneous trials, at the most expedited speed possible = a good strategy & what is now being done.

Allowing people to use the drugs in the meantime = a very good thing (provided it doesn't cause people to get lax about the mitigative measures now in place).

I am completely self-isolating -- we stocked up before the panic buying started. I'm also: taking silver, zinc, vitamins C & D; using six air purifiers around the house, sterilizing everything that enters our house with ozone, and treating every room in the house with ozone on a rotating basis. If I develop symptoms, I'll take these drugs too (if I can get them).

Meanwhile, these clinical trials MUST proceed to (a quick) conclusion. The one does not rule out the other.

30 posted on 04/03/2020 1:51:10 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: JohnBovenmyer

Here’s the WH petition:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/allow-us-individuals-use-hydroxychloroquine-preventative-covid-19-open-country-and-go-back-work

I just put it up, needs 150 sigs before it becomes “visible”.


31 posted on 04/03/2020 3:01:08 PM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (Unredact the 99 page Collyer Report!!!)
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To: Norseman

See #28.

India has mandated it’s use, period, for healthcare workers and 1st responders. Think they know something? And docs all over the country doing it, too. As a preventative. Spain, too. France. Open secret, just we can’t???


32 posted on 04/03/2020 3:26:59 PM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (Unredact the 99 page Collyer Report!!!)
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To: Albion Wilde
They were horrified when their plans failed, and have never printed one positive word about Trump's presidency in their mass-circulation magazine, Pennsylvania Gazette (founded, along with the University itself, by Ben Franklin and in continuous publication ever since).

I'm disappointed they haven't written any positive stories in the Gazette about me either. However they do say nice things to me when they ask for money (often). So far I've been able to resist the siren call of their flattery. Maybe if they bragged about Trump it might make me at least think about opening my wallet but as it is....

33 posted on 04/03/2020 4:08:04 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The implication of this methodology seems to imply ‘we know it works, we want to see how well’.


34 posted on 04/03/2020 4:09:41 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: pepsi_junkie
I'm disappointed they haven't written any positive stories in the Gazette about me either... Maybe if they bragged about Trump it might make me at least think about opening my wallet but as it is....

I think that writing your non-negotiable demands on the money solicitation itself and sending it back in the post-paid envelope is in order there. Start with your objections to not having see a feature about yourself, of course, and then work up to that other thing. Their loathing for the second thing might prompt them to make a deal on the first...

35 posted on 04/03/2020 7:28:24 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Party that freed sIaves, passed Civil Rights is called racist by the party that started the KKK.)
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