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To: Farmerbob

Italian healthcare is considered first world, maybe better than UK
No matter who controls it, govt or private sector, it is a finite resource and will be rationed (triaged) at some point when overwhelmed


66 posted on 03/14/2020 9:22:27 AM PDT by silverleaf (Remember kids: You can vote your way into communism, but you have to shoot your way out!)
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To: silverleaf

Based on a WHO analysis of national healthcare systems done in 2018, Italy’s healthcare system was ranked 2nd out of 191 countries.

In addition, the area in Italy where the outbreak is worst is the wealthiest area of the country.

People really need to stop saying that what is happening in Italy is a result of substandard healthcare.

For those who want to see the study done by WHO, it can be found here:
https://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf


69 posted on 03/14/2020 9:32:19 AM PDT by independentmind (Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt m)
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To: silverleaf
Italian healthcare is considered first world, maybe better than UK

While (not surprisingly) the top (liberal) Google result for Italy has a single payer system health care system is "Single Payer Health Care works in Italy" (an immature infomercial), yet as an American doctor (who affirms universal HC) states,

The Italian healthcare landscape includes crumbling hospitals, doctors trained on books rather than patients, and per capita spending one-third that of the United States. And Americans like to say their medical care is the best in the world, while Italians consider their National Health Service to be hopelessly dysfunctional. (In 2000 the World Health Organization ranked the Italian system second-best on the planet. But that stellar rating was based solely on equality of access on the one hand and health outcomes such as life expectancy on the other, ignoring any on-the-ground realities in between: waiting times, emergency room efficiency, surgical statistics, etc.)

But here’s the rub: Italians are much healthier than Americans in terms of everything from overall health longevity, infant mortality, obesity, cancer, diabetes, suicide, drug overdoses, homicides, and disability rates. On many of those measures, they beat out the UK as well.

The latter is much due to culture: that of a healthier lifestyle and diet. - https://www.thelocal.it/20190322/what-can-italy-teach-the-rest-of-the-world-about-health

Also, Hospital beds per capita:

Total hospital beds per 1,000 population, 2016 or nearest year

Japan
13.1
Germany
8.1
Austria
7.4
France
6.1
Belgium
5.7
Comparable Country Average
5.4
Switzerland
4.6
Australia
3.8
Netherlands
3.6
United States
2.8
Canada
2.6
United Kingdom
2.6
Sweden
2.3 - https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/indicator/quality/hospital-beds-per-capita/

Another list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OECD_countries_by_hospital_beds


95 posted on 03/14/2020 12:02:21 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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