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To: Rashputin; Jewbacca

The dispute between the two of you is really very simple to solve.

Rashputin, you seem to have made the argument that just because a lot of liberal or leftist rabbis in the United States have taken positions that are counter to the Bible and/or western civilization, that therefor rabbis everywhere are somehow or other not allowed to take a stand in favor of Bible values or western civilization, lest you call them hypocrites.

I would say that you are incorrect, with the following example: do you agree that every priest or minister speaks the truth about Bible values or western civilization? Given the very large number of priests and ministers, and the very wide diversity of opinions among them on issues of religion and politics, I think that you would say “no.” OK, then priests and ministers are in exactly the same position as the rabbis, which is to say that they as a group have very diverse opinions. Does the fact that some priests and ministers who adhere to what you believe are incorrect values thus somehow make those who do adhere to the proper religious and political values, wrong? I would say “no,” and I believe that you also would. So what is the difference between the two groups, other than their religion? None.

Just because some, or even most, rabbis, priests and ministers may have incorrect views on religion and politics, does not mean that those men of the cloth who do have the correct values are wrong. Frankly, we should be celebrating and supporting these men of the cloth who continue, despite fierce opposition by their own colleagues and communities (and even governments), to adhere to their faith and to the civilization that fosters their (and our) faith.


20 posted on 02/19/2020 7:01:20 PM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Ancesthntr
No argument, I just thought it was funny as Hell after watching several different Jewish authors and speakers lap up praise for ramrodding "gay marriage" through here and in the UK.

YMMV, maybe you never ran across that sort of thing. I'm pretty sure you can still find Biden thanking a Jews at some sort of annual gathering for being responsible for queers being able to legally marry one another. If not, fine, doesn't bother me a bit whether anyone agrees with me or not.

21 posted on 02/19/2020 7:21:54 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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