Posted on 01/10/2020 11:19:20 AM PST by bus man
a Massachusetts Democrat and former presidential candidate who ended his White House bid in August
Ooh, gee, a war hero, like John Kerry!
There is only ONE question that gets asked of orders - is this a lawful order?
Nancy......pray for Seth.
Asked and answered.
What a hero, unless his BS has V device, he is like every other staff rat with BS for their tour.
How far over the line of sedition and treason does one have to go, before being prosecuted? I guess we’ll find out, because the Dems are going to keep pushing the boundaries, until someone gets their neck stretched.
I say some deterrence is needed, just as with terrorism, a strong stand, and punishment that meets the crime should be rendered, asap. Otherwise, this republic is doomed.
“...lawmaker who earned the Bronze Star during combat in Iraq...” who can’t remember his oath of office. Yet one more dipshit former Marine officer.
#whataboutism
Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent’s position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument
It is pretty clear when confronted with it.
“What was the Bronze Star for? Fetching the General’s martinis In a combat zone?”
Participation trophy.
“Democrat advocating treason. On cue.”
He’s actually advocating mutiny, which under the UCMJ is punishable by death.
“A disgrace to the Corps!”
Just like murtha.
Nope. Bravery under fire.
He is an idiot who served with distinction.
One does not preclude the other.
Yes. According to Seth Moulton’s Wikipedia entry his Bronze Start had the ‘V’ for valor.
I wouldn’t criticize the congressman’s service. I’ll just say that as a junior officer — and Moulton was only a captain by the time he got out in 2008 — you don’t get to question the political wisdom of orders from above. An ‘unlawful’ order is a whole other thing and Congressman Moulton ought to know better than to treat them as equivalents.
Lots of dipshits from other branches.
“An Officer can be recalled at any time. Does not apply to enlisted.”
Interesting. Back in the mid-80’s, I was flying A-10’s in Germany. Was hanging around the Sembach O’Club bar and a Ramstein JAG joined us and told us he just finished a case where a former enlisted (retired) was discovered to have embezzle thousand’s of dollars from the Sembach Club and then was moved to run the Ramstein Club and did the same thing. He was recalled and prosecuted.
Maybe things changed since then. But consider, if the military can’t recall a retired or former serving enlisted guy that committed a crime, then all an enlisted guy has to do is commit a crime, retire and not worry about being recalled to face punishment for crimes committed while on active duty. Of course, it would have to be a significant crime (as in this case. . .nearly a half-million over, I think he said, about 7-yrs. He ran the Sembach Club then the Ramstein Club. . .
Actually, it is beaten into your head that you do NOT follow illegal orders.
Refusing an order is a serious charge, so you have to be right.
But back to the original point: you receive an order that says shoot every child in a school. That is not legal and you are subject to prosecution if you shoot them.
Just War (St Thomas Aquinas) and Just and Unjust War (Walzer) are two excellent books that explain the morality of killing non-combatants. It all comes down to proportionality, double-effect and a few other qualifiers.
Agree.
Post 78.
Pro, well stated and 100% correct. Post 78 aligns with your position and the law.
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