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To: lightman

Jesus said that not everyone who calls him Lord..will be recognized as true followers...he will reject them.....why do you think he would?
Jesus never said to not defend yourself if you were being attacked in such a way which could cause your death or anyone elses....he said love your enemies.(how can you follow that law if you are dead?). How is letting yourself be killed by someone equated to loving them? Idiots.


10 posted on 01/07/2020 6:50:42 PM PST by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: Getready

How is letting yourself be killed by someone equated to loving them?
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Hey People - -

Meditate on this^!


21 posted on 01/07/2020 7:52:12 PM PST by Scrambler Bob (This is not /s. It is just as viable as any MSM 'information', maybe more so!)
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To: Getready; lightman

Jesus’s teachings were not general but only pertained to God’s Plan. This is my thinking.

Some say Jesus supported taking up Arms:

Luke 22:36
“And He said to them, “But now, the one having a purse, let him take it, and likewise a bag; and the one having no sword, let him sell his cloak and buy one.”

Jesus is instructing his Disciples to acquire Arms. My thinking is this was done as a matter of deterrence, as a matter of self-defense, self-preservation. There is a reason for this. In my thinking Jesus knows our Earthly form will die sooner or later, so acquiring weapons to prolong our date of eventual death is NOT generally important.

What is important is that death be conquered so that we be freed from bondage. The only way for us to know that death was conquered at Calvary is to know God’s Word.

My thinking on Luke 22:36 - this does not mean Jesus is making a general declaration that all should take up Arms for any reason of defense or deterrence.

Jesus is TELLING HIS DISCIPLES to take up Arms, why?

He is NOT telling them to prepare to attack. Remember Peter in the Garden of Gethsemane sliced off the temple guard’s ear and Jesus rebuked Peter and healed the temple guard.

So why was Jesus telling them to acquire weapons?

Obviously for defense but there is something more. Defense of what? If His Disciples will eventually die by whatever means, old age, crucifixion, disease, why was it important they be armed to live longer?

Again, at the time, Jesus will conquer (and did indeed conquer) death and his disciples learned this. Why then was it important they be able to defend themselves and prolong their Earthly lives? Eventually when they were filled with the Holy Spirit after the Pentecost, they jumped at the chance to die for Jesus. After Pentecost, dying didn’t matter anymore.

But when the temple guards came to the Garden of Gethsemane, why wasn’t it Ok for the disciples to die defending Jesus? The Disciples, even if they won or escaped, they would surely be hunted down by the Romans and killed. And Jesus, no matter what, would have been crucified. So what was the point of the Disciples arming themselves?

Because, in my thinking, the spread of God’s Word, and the Word was alive in Jesus, was part of the Plan. And who was to start the process of spreading God’s Word? The Disciples.

The Disciples were armed to deter violence and arrest so that God’s Word would be spread, God’s Plan would be fulfilled.

And why in our America were we given the freedom to arm ourselves? In my thinking, this is also part of God’s Plan.


33 posted on 01/08/2020 7:13:26 AM PST by Hostage (Article V)
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